Can we have an earnest discussion about the femcel issue we have in the Black community?

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You are also assuming that it started only with one sex, which is also wrong. Talk to those men and ask them about their mothers. Ask them how their own mothers treated them, acted towards them, acted towards the men in their lives, and you will also see a lot of patterns. The problem is a circular one, that neither sex holds the bulk of the responsibility for. Both are responsible for these outcomes we are seeing, in equal measures.

Those men who think it is only the women's fault, are wrong. Those women who think it is only the men's fault are wrong. Both participated in this situation, and both have been hurt by this situation. An inability to see that or a need to point the finger in only one direction just exposes the bias of the person pointing the finger.
Black women are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by their partner than any other race. 9 times out of 10 a black woman knows her killer.

Source: Violence Against Black Women – Many Types, Far-reaching Effects - IWPR

So, I'm sorry, when y'all try very hard to make this an "equal" experience that's where you all lose me. That's not to say what Black men don't experience from black women isn't real, but that poster isn't wrong.
 

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Black women are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by their partner than any other race. 9 times out of 10 a black woman knows her killer.

Source: Violence Against Black Women – Many Types, Far-reaching Effects - IWPR

So, I'm sorry, when y'all try very hard to make this an "equal" experience that's where you all lose me. That's not to say what Black men don't experience from black women isn't real, but that poster isn't wrong.
Go and look at the abuse stats for Black boys and their likelihood of being abused and killed by their mothers too. You guys think those killers are just being born instead of being created.

"Child abuse and neglect homicide is a homicide where the perpetrator is the primary caregiver; a death in which a child is killed, either directly, or indirectly, by his/her caregiver. Eighty-one percent (128 of 158) of the child abuse and neglect homicides of all children and 77% (37 of 48) of the child abuse and neglect homicides of African American children occurred in children 0 to 5 years of age. Fifty-seven percent (94 of 165) of the perpetrators of all child abuse and neglect homicides and 61% (31 of 51) of the perpetrators of African American victims of child abuse and neglect homicides were the biological parents. This includes the mother or father acting alone, or both parents acting together."



"Too often the idea of young Black boys as sexually aggressive or criminally assaultive displaces the idea that they can be victims at all. As such, Black boys are not theorized or researched as victims of sexual violations in current gender literatures. Instead they are almost exclusively represented as perpetrators of sexual violence, not victims of it. This study examines five snapshots of Black men who were victims of sexual violations as young boys. Our findings indicate that Black males are uniquely at risk for sexual impropriety and statutory rape, primarily via older women and teenage girl female-perpetrators (although risk also includes same-sex violations). This study, the first of its kind, argues that Black boys must be understood as a population at risk to be victims of sexual violations and require an earlier sex education emphasizing their sexual vulnerability."


"There is an ample body of research demonstrating the negative consequences of maltreatment on child development (Thornberry et al. 2012). Child maltreatment can include emotional abuse, neglect, sexual abuse, physical abuse, or any combination thereof (Thornberry et al. 2012). It is often believed that being a victim of child maltreatment is a risk factor for being a perpetrator of maltreatment later in life, which is referred to as the ‘cycle of violence’ (Widom 1989a). Specifically, there is empirical evidence showing that child maltreatment is associated with an increased likelihood of becoming a juvenile delinquent (Widom and Maxfield 2001). It, therefore, seems important to study (intergenerational) transmission of antisocial behavior."

"Although neglect is less studied than abuse, results of the limited research available suggest, in line with the findings for abuse, that neglect is associated with the development of severe behavioral problems. For example, boys who were victim of childhood neglect were convicted for offending four times more than juveniles who were not exposed to childhood neglect (Kazemian et al. 2011). There are indications that specific victimization types predict the same kind of offending behavior (e.g., Ford and Linney 1995). However, not all studies reported these relations (e.g., Epps et al. 1996)."


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Number of child fatalities due to abuse or maltreatment in the United States in 2022, by perpetrator relationship

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So, extrapulate all of that and you will see that the main perputrators of child abuse are Mothers. You will also see how the cycle of abuse causes the abuse to continue in adults. Those men causing harm, where harmed a lot of times as children by outright abuse and neglect. This is why I state that the weight of the problem is born by both sexes, because both sexes are feeding into this cycle of abuse, but for many years we have only been focused on Domestic Violence as it pertains to how it affects women. We now have data to show that violence is also happening to Black children too at a higher rate than all other ethnic groups, and the main perputrators of that violence are the mothers.
 
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A Houston mother beats her 4-month-old daughter because the baby’s father no longer wanted a relationship with her.

A 7-year-old boy was found dead in a washing machine where his adoptive parents reportedly stuffed him after he was beaten, suffocated and possibly drowned – all because the boy stole the father’s snacks.

Two teen siblings who made a daring escape from a Cypress home, revealed unimaginable abuse and horror at the hands of their own mother and her younger boyfriend. The 16-year-olds were “severely malnourished” and had lacerations on their wrists consistent with being restrained with handcuffs.


According to the Department of Health and Human Services, Black children were three times more likely to die from abuse or neglect than White children.

“Child abuse occurs within the Black community pretty much at about the same rate that Black people exist in the population, 13 percent. But it is in the death that results from that child abuse where the numbers are skewed and Black children are far overrepresented,” said psychologist Dr. Norman Fried. “Twenty-five percent of all child abuse cases in America are of Black children. And we know that one in every four Black children by the age of four will be abused, but one in every 10 White children will be abused at that same age range.”


So I will repeat, stop looking at this problem from only one vantage point. Doing that exposes your biasness and it does not help to actually resolve the issue. Telling those men to stop abusing should also come with us telling those women to stop abusing. We have an equation and we only look at one independent variable, while hiding away from looking at the other independent variable that contributes to the outcomes we do not desire. Once we finally tackle the entire problem, and not just seek to look at one aspect of it, we may finally start to find solutions to the problem that will reduce it over all.​

 
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If our problem is our women,we are the problem. And wherever you go,there you are. So we essentially are preventing black men from going to other countries and creating new problems. Black men need to do self work before leaving to spread the cancer as trojan horses of white supremacy. But if they want to move as colonizers,it just speaks to my point. Obviously this doesnt apply to all black men who leave the country. But passport boys is not a movement i am behind:respect:
Again a Man fixes his own problems. High key I hate the whole idea that someone got a passport b
If our problem is our women,we are the problem. And wherever you go,there you are. So we essentially are preventing black men from going to other countries and creating new problems. Black men need to do self work before leaving to spread the cancer as trojan horses of white supremacy. But if they want to move as colonizers,it just speaks to my point. Obviously this doesnt apply to all black men who leave the country. But passport boys is not a movement i am behind:respect:
The idea that Black Men who travel or expat are doing it solely for women is nasty work. I know I didn’t and neither did the majority of Black Men I know.

But for whom it applies they have the right to. As does the vast majority of Black Men who stay in the US and thrive. The key is optionality.
 

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I remember about a week ago there was a clan rally hosted by black women to talk down to black men for not attending college, even though we still make more than them and they have the high debt and and some of the highest eviction rates
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College enrollement is down for all americans. It’s trending down more for Black Men and the Black Men that go to HBCU’s are dropping but so is Black women’s enrollment.

It’s a worrying trend but Black Men are just canaries in the coal mine.

But this is just like the fake stat that said that more Black Men were in Jail than college which was debunked.
 

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Black men were abusive during the civil rights movement. But they stood behind them because what we consider being abusive today was normal back then. Plus it was for the greater good. Black men of today want to be abusive without any of the good qualities those men had in the civil rights era,in terms of leadership. Is there a movement led by black men that hasnt abused black women?This is our first order of business to fix as righteous black men :respect:#TheChildOfMan
Abuse is never good. Correction is necessary the difference between then and now is Black women were more amenable to correction from Black Men now they mainly want to be corrected by cac’s only.
 

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So one therapist out of the thousands is the flag that all of them are like that? Is that what you're saying? You sound like a goofy spook lol. Again I have yet to encounter a chic like that in real life or one that's bold to voice those views in my face. So why would I be sitting around foaming at the mouth like you clowns because of a post that y'all sought out to give y'all confirmation bias about your silly P.O.V. if you truly were so concerned about race issues like that the first thing you wouldn't be doing is even using Twitter because of its owner and their viewpoint and yet you still are. But you need Twitter for that dopamine hit lol.
Stop being obtuse dumbfukk.

The point is that people like these have jobs.

People in real life have biases that are covert. When you don't push back against this and you allow it to spread, there's no consequences. I don't get why you to play this stupid game but whatever
 

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Here’s the thing— I’m not implying that our forefathers just stood by and “didn’t care” or “let it happen”. Obviously they all would’ve been murdered and we wouldn’t be here. Full stop.


I go hard when the topic of slavery comes up because, very conveniently, a lot of men want to reference what Black women “did with the slave masters” as if it was possibly consensual. And they want to attribute current day Black women’s potentially negative or damaging behavior, attitudes, desires, etc to “interactions” with white men slavery— I.e. being forced into situations against their will by the most powerful people (white men).

Saying Black women might be divestors and have attitudes with Black men because they are used to being used by cacs and have Stockholm syndrome, so that makes them (divestors) want to deal with white men is a WILD TAKE.

To your point- does anyone say there are Japanese-American women who are into white guys because of Stockholm syndrome dating back to when the Japanese were forced into American internment camps during WWII? Nah. No one would think that of Japanese American women, no one would think that of Jewish women, no one would think that of Native women…so why think that is a possibility for BLACK AMERICAN women? How is that even a thought?

Referencing women who were beaten, raped by their literal OWNERS, forced to breed non-stop, have their children stripped away, forced to breastfeed and rear the next generation of their owners, marry and then have their husbands and children sold to other plantations to never be seen again, never have a day of peace until their literal death…

Fast forward- then the descendants of those enslaved women had to serve these ppl in their homes after slavery was over— where the same dynamics were at play: you were spoken to like an animal while serving white women, still rearing their children, possibly being groped or raped by the white man who was the one paying you, his wife knowing/suspecting it and treating you even worse because of it (akin to the type of shyt happening right now to many of the African women who traveled to the Middle East for domestic work— stuck in slavery getting raped by the husbands and beaten by the wives)………


There are men who say Black women enjoyed dealing with “massa”. There are men who reference those times as “what happened with the white man”, etc, as if Black women in those times possibly had any other choice. There are men who don’t detail what that lived experience was like for enslaved women.


Like I said— people desire whites because they are the “dominant” culture and they literally subjugated the globe and made themselves the image of all that is right. That’s why Asian chicks go crazy for white dudes here, but Asian women in their home countries…it ain’t as drastic. Because they aren’t surrounded by the messaging of White Supremacy.


Those simple ass broads on social media talking about that little boy/liking the tweet- those women are trash.
But we don’t have to bring up slavery and say that Black women are accustomed to being abused by white men so that’s why divestors exist and talk about Black men.
That is beyond extreme.

Are we able to call out negative behavior of some current day Black men and say “Oh, they’re like that because of slavery”? Black men who like PAWGs (:mjlol::bryan:) and disparage Black women, that’s because of slavery. Y’all know plantation owners’ wives had male slaves they were attracted to and the same way female slaves couldn’t turn down their owners, male slaves couldn’t turn down the white women either.

Would that NOT sound crazy to you? To blame it on that? To even reference that?


That was my point.

It has nothing to do with slavery. Some ppl are lame and they display it on social media. Black folks have a lot of pain that we need to sort through, but sometimes, sometimes the issue is a socialization problem. We can call them out without bringing up women who were living in time when it was survival or death.
I would say that everyone is conditioned to prefer white supremacy.

Take #bothsides on the coli. Because Kamala had some non Black ancestry she was seen as being untrustworthy but these same nikkas were down to trust a whole cac who told you what he was gonna do now these nikkas are surprised that he did what he said he was gonna do.

There’s plenty of of white boys in asia who will openly say that asian women prefer them because they’ve seen some evidence of it obviously the majority of asian women prefer asian Men but like divestors there’s a loud minority jacking crackers.


Again I’ll use the example of Black customer service to Black people as an example. Black people tend to give shyttier service to Black People and better service to cacs

It’s because it was imprinted in them. It’s basically the adult version of the doll test and it needs to be indentified and rectified when seen in Black people in general.
 
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