Calif. group votes to limit reparations to slave descendants

[Rekkapryde]

It won't be tribes -- because by the time our ancestors were emancipated most were 2-3 generations deep. So, they would have been through so much -- and mixed with all different tribes and countries.

Remember, when they got here -- none of that tribe and African country stuff mattered. They became one with one another -- hence making our ethnic group.

Also, we will have so many ancestors - remember maternal and paternal side - so most will know by state and county.

For instance, the surname WARD and JACKSON is in my family - both out of Alabama. But, both surnames had multiple plantations in Alabama and in other states.

They started with the oldest WARD in - then he passed down more to his sons and they opened more plantations and so on...

Joshua John Ward - Wikipedia

One of his sons enslaved an arm of my family.

Damn my nikka, it was a joke.

Homie broke it down tho

 

[Buddy]

I agree. The mess online that Tariq and just Twitter and forums are doing is draining and dumb. But, it's both sides -- and lots of disrespect on both sides -- and I really don't know what to say to stop it.

And you also have to understand -- a lot of that is hurt on both sides -- to learn what other Black people think and say about AA's and -- then AA's hit back and say stupid mess and hurt them.

I no longer even engage it. But, if I see something that is not true - I do try to educate instead of going back and forth.

P.S. I forgot to add -- words mean everything in these bills -- so I understand why ADOS wants ADOS instead of African -- we know we are of African descent -- we know it's our ancestors lineage --- but for specific reparations purposes on this soil - we have to be very clear about the recipients.

Cause even the smallest word can allow others to pigeon whole themselves in. It's not about denying being of African descent. Or having African ancestors.

Tariq gets too much credit. Before he was majorly involved, ADOS was having in person protest against the Harriet Tubman movie. I'm not defending the movie (never even watched it) but mixing a movie of all things up with a push for reparations was a tell tale sign that mission drift was on the horizon.

I'm pretty "Point A to B, execute" and emotionless when it comes to objectives and honestly don't "get" a lot of meandering or self imposed roadblocks. The stuff with immigrants and Pan Africanists honestly doesn't mean anything as it pertains to reparations. Even with lineage, I agree with it being exclusive on compensation, but I can't understand getting bogged down in a back & forth or going wringing my hands over a fraction of the Black population being included when the reality, the majority of the country doesn't want us to receive anything, no matter how you word it. I think the people in Cali understood that & moved forward to complete the objective and Ultimately, the taskforce provided an incubated space where the majority really don't matter anymore. It's passed and now they're in the drivers seat #Goals. I'm sure they also understand that none of them are going to get 100.00% of everything they anticipated and will find themselves at odds with people on their own 'team' or ideology on various issues. There's 40 million of us, we're going to disagree, that's natural. We shouldn't let disagreements stll progression tho

 

[Professor Emeritus]

i would imagine, being relatively small might have helped filter out the clutter of the issue.

Still over 2 million Black folk in the state, as many as Mississippi and South Carolina combined. Only 4 states have a greater raw # of Black folk in them than Cali does. And Cali Black folk come from all over. So there was tons of room for division.

Yet the people leading on this issue not only worked through that division, but have managed to get this far in the process despite being in a state where Black folk are way outnumbered by the Latino, White, and even Asian populations.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Weird intro here but follow me: Astrophysicists often refer to planets being in the 'Goldilocks' zone. Where it's not too close/too far from a star but just right for conditions needed for water (and possibly life) -- I think the people involved in California recognized and appreciated their Goldilocks zone to some degree and put aside any pointless energy to cross the goal line.

For starters, they're in the most liberal state in the country and they're governor seems pretty lax. Add in the influence of celebrity, and the fact that they also didn't draw a line in the sand on circumstances that were likely not ideal to them. For example, the assemblywoman who wrote the bill is a Pan Africanist and modeled it after HR40. Yet on the national level Pan Africanists should be boxed out of reparations involvement and "we don't need a study" like HR40 or for them, AB3121.

They still worked with her & supported the bill. The lineage issue was huge to them I'm sure, but they saved their energy for the taskforce. You look elsewhere and this talk about lineage has devolved into the most irrelevant shyt like movie roles, who started hip hop, Black immigrants 'looking down' on us-- almost anything you can think of that has absolutely nothing to reparations.

This is exponentially harder to achieve for most other states (especially the south) and the federal government, but we could get a lot further if everyone involved left their personal gripes and bullshyt at home.

Thank you for that insight. To sum it up, from your point of view they've plowed ahead by:

1. Having a government dominated by liberal politicians
2. Put aside infighting and other internal shyt that would hold it back to work together to push it forward



I'd disagree that California is "the most liberal state in the union". California is an enigma that can be stupid conservative at unpredictable times and issues. But they do have fairly secure Democratic control and a willingness at least among politicians, at least on some issues, to put aside the racist bullshyt and do the right things. I think that's important. It still feels like it would be impossible to do this in a state controlled by Republicans or one where there were too many Democrats who felt like they had to kiss conservative white ass to keep their seat.

But, of course, deading the infighting and working together to advance it even with some folk you might not see eye-to-eye with on everything has gotta be key key key.

 

[xoxodede]

Tariq gets too much credit. Before he was majorly involved, ADOS was having in person protest against the Harriet Tubman movie. I'm not defending the movie (never even watched it) but mixing a movie of all things up with a push for reparations was a tell tale sign that mission drift was on the horizon.

I'm pretty "Point A to B, execute" and emotionless when it comes to objectives and honestly don't "get" a lot of meandering or self imposed roadblocks. The stuff with immigrants and Pan Africanists honestly doesn't mean anything as it pertains to reparations. Even with lineage, I agree with it being exclusive on compensation, but I can't understand getting bogged down in a back & forth or going wringing my hands over a fraction of the Black population being included when the reality, the majority of the country doesn't want us to receive anything, no matter how you word it. I think the people in Cali understood that & moved forward to complete the objective and Ultimately, the taskforce provided an incubated space where the majority really don't matter anymore. It's passed and now they're in the drivers seat #Goals. I'm sure they also understand that none of them are going to get 100.00% of everything they anticipated and will find themselves at odds with people on their own 'team' or ideology on various issues. There's 40 million of us, we're going to disagree, that's natural. We shouldn't let disagreements stll progression tho

I agree, we shouldn't.

And to be fair, we can't blame Tariq or ADOS (Yvette and Tone). Whether people want to believe it or not, many native Black Americans are tired of seeing historical roles going to non-native Black Americans. The Internet in general PUSHED the button. People on the net be talking reckless.

Yes, we share race. Yes, our ancestors come from Africa.

But, our experience is not the same. And we would like to see those roles played by others who come from that experience.

I know the argument of the 3-4 movies were Black Americans played historical people from different African countries. And I agree. That was a time, when we really couldn't voice an opinion and push back -- but now it is. And every one, including other Black people across the world are doing so.

Also, understand....

MANY People are using ADOS an an ethnicity marker -- and they are not apart of a group -- and some don't even support nor like Tone and Yvette. But, support the initiatives -- meaning reparations. But, not apart of fighting for it.

And some people (Yvette and Tone) and ADOS101 use it as a group, organizations, and ethnicity marker -- to make political and policy changes.

So, just because someone claims ADOS doesn't mean they are fighting for reparations. They may be using it just to let others know their ethnicity.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

They still worked with her & supported the bill. The lineage issue was huge to them I'm sure, but they saved their energy for the taskforce. You look elsewhere and this talk about lineage has devolved into the most irrelevant shyt like movie roles, who started hip hop, Black immigrants 'looking down' on us-- almost anything you can think of that has absolutely nothing to reparations.

The goldilocks zone is NYC not cali

And as far as the bolded,

the same people undermining those aspects are the same people denouncing fba as a culture, ethnicity and a lineage

those things have to be made correct as well

 

[Buddy]

I agree, we shouldn't.

And to be fair, we can't blame Tariq or ADOS (Yvette and Tone). Whether people want to believe it or not, many native Black Americans are tired of seeing historical roles going to non-native Black Americans. The Internet in general PUSHED the button. People on the net be talking reckless.

Yes, we share race. Yes, our ancestors come from Africa.

But, our experience is not the same. And we would like to see those roles played by others who come from that experience.

I know the argument of the 3-4 movies were Black Americans played historical people from different African countries. And I agree. That was a time, when we really couldn't voice an opinion and push back -- but now it is. And every one, including other Black people across the world are doing so.

Also, understand....

MANY People are using ADOS an an ethnicity marker -- and they are not apart of a group -- and some don't even support nor like Tone and Yvette. But, support the initiatives -- meaning reparations. But, not apart of fighting for it.

And some people (Yvette and Tone) and ADOS101 use it as a group, organizations, and ethnicity marker -- to make political and policy changes.

So, just because someone claims ADOS doesn't mean they are fighting for reparations. They may be using it just to let others know their ethnicity.

The goldilocks zone is NYC not cali

And as far as the bolded,

the same people undermining those aspects are the same people denouncing fba as a culture, ethnicity and a lineage

those things have to be made correct as well

Yeah, idk. There's clearly a variety of issues for y'all and they all center around identity, but I think they're congruent with one another. But for reparations in particular, that's gonna take laser focus and I know I'm a broken record at this point, but I think that's why California succeeded.

When this all first started, there was talk about our net worth being zero so what does a movie or internet comments really amount to? People may not like or follow the creators of the acronyms but that kinda focus started & was amplified by them.

I gotta be honest, reparations aside this is what annoys the living hell outta me, cause it feels like lineage has been reduced to a being a unicorn rather than our collective well being, legacy, & regard or relationships for one another. We have people out here really harming & killing one another, people that don't think anything of being "African" or any supposed commonality but the talk of lineage has yet to be framed or introduced to them. I mean people ARE working against these issues and I'm positive a lot of them fall under these "ADOS/FBA/Freedmen" identities, but I've yet to see them addressed as values to uphold and disseminate on the internet. The investment is put in gatekeeping and acronyms so outsiders aren't conflated or mistaken for us-- it's beyond me

 

[Rapmastermind]

I thought Kamiah Moore of the Task Force broke it down well here. That dude up there talking about "This is White Nationalism" sounding crazy. Look as I said, its not rocket science. Either you descend from 40 Acres and a Mule or you don't. America is responsible for American Slavery. America isn't responsible for other Nations Slavery. That's why there's separate claims all happening right now as we speak. I want all Black People of the Diaspora to get Reparations. That includes The Caribbean, Africa and South America as all those places were effected by Slavery. The issue is in a legal case, you can't lump everything together for something of this magnitude. Each area will have to do their own claims.

By focusing strictly on lineage it makes it harder legally for them to say "Your only doing this for by race". No we are doing it by specific Lineage of those people that are owed a Debt by America. They are already going to challenge reparations no matter what. So our claim has to be air tight constitutionally. I also don't view this claim as a "End all Racism" thing. Racism will still exists post Reparations, the difference now will be our wealth so we can fight back stronger. Any Black American Person that doesn't want a check or thinks we shouldn't get reparations can donate their check to charity or deny and let the government keep it. But running interference, you will be checked. The bottom line is all the "Reparations ain't happening" talk is over. Time to get on this train because it's moving and will move very fast. "Special Field Order No. 15" will be redeemed by the Descendants.

 

[xoxodede]

I thought Kamiah Moore of the Task Force broke it down well here. That dude up there talking about "This is White Nationalism" sounding crazy. Look as I said, its not rocket science. Either you descend from 40 Acres and a Mule or you don't. America is responsible for American Slavery. America isn't responsible for other Nations Slavery. That's why there's separate claims all happening right now as we speak. I want all Black People of the Diaspora to get Reparations. That includes The Caribbean, Africa and South America as all those places were effected by Slavery. The issue is in a legal case, you can't lump everything together for something of this magnitude. Each area will have to do their own claims.

By focusing strictly on lineage it makes it harder legally for them to say "Your only doing this for by race". No we are doing it by specific Lineage of those people that are owed a Debt by America. They are already going to challenge reparations no matter what. So our claim has to be air tight constitutionally. I also don't view this claim as a "End all Racism" thing. Racism will still exists post Reparations, the difference now will be our wealth so we can fight back stronger. Any Black American Person that doesn't want a check or thinks we shouldn't get reparations can donate their check to charity or deny and let the government keep it. But running interference, you will be checked. The bottom line is all the "Reparations ain't happening" talk is over. Time to get on this train because it's moving and will move very fast. "Special Field Order No. 15" will be redeemed by the Descendants.

At this point there even isn't a reason to argue -- the people who are making this an issue are doing it on purpose -- and want to sabotage any reparations for Native Black Americans/ADOS.

 

[8WON6]

i hate seeing people like that dude in that last clip try to play on this "divisive" shyt. It's such a fake stance. Dude should be ashamed of himself.

 

[Cadillac]

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

Ray Winbush got exposed on Twitter spaces today. Dude is a complete shill for the democrats and doesn’t care about reparations. This man believes that any black person should be able to receive reparations as soon as they arrive in this country. That is insane. They exposed how he takes money from democrat lobbies.

 

[Voice of Reason]

No thread on the report recommendations?

 

[tuckgod]

No thread on the report recommendations?

I figured that’s why this got bumped.

Is that what they was asking the press secretary about?

What happened?

 

[GoAggieGo.]

Glad Cali and the Black Americans there decided to go lineage based. That further weeded out who was really for reparations or not lol

Should set a precedent for other states