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Cacs are saying Nikola Jokic > Carmelo Anthony
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ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
'09 Nuggets were nice. Billups, J.R., K-Mart, Nene with D. Jones, Kleiza, Birdman as role players. Compare Melo's teams to his '03 draft classmates in that same time period LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.do your research
Jokic just beat a tough Mitchell-led Jazz team (he played at the level of a young D-Wade), upset a stacked Clippers team (they have several starting level players coming off the bench), and now he's about to face a LeBron James and Anthony Davis-led Lakers team. How did Melo face tougher competition.
Smoking With Cigarettes
Superstar
This isn't even a discussion anymore. Jokic's post season numbers are above Melo's Nugget #s in almost every statistical category
Jokic- 28 games
25.3 ppg 11.9 rpg 7.3 apg 0.9 bpg 0.9 spg shooting 51% from the field, 42% from 3, and 84% from the FT line
Melo- 49 games
24.7 ppg 7.3 rpg 3.1 apg 0.4 bpg 1.3 spg shooting 42% from the field 34% from 3 and 82% from the FT line
Jokic- 28 games
25.3 ppg 11.9 rpg 7.3 apg 0.9 bpg 0.9 spg shooting 51% from the field, 42% from 3, and 84% from the FT line
Melo- 49 games
24.7 ppg 7.3 rpg 3.1 apg 0.4 bpg 1.3 spg shooting 42% from the field 34% from 3 and 82% from the FT line
It really goes far beyond any box score #s. Jokic is the only player in the last 20 years who's comparable to Bron when it comes to running an offense.
melo had a good roster on the nuggets. not trying to hear the less help stuff
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
Jokic impacts the game in more ways than Melo ever did.
seemorecizzy
Superstar
melo played in the west'09 Nuggets were nice. Billups, J.R., K-Mart, Nene with D. Jones, Kleiza, Birdman as role players. Compare Melo's teams to his '03 draft classmates in that same time period LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.
Jokic just beat a tough Mitchell-led Jazz team (he played at the level of a young D-Wade), upset a stacked Clippers team (they have several starting level players coming off the bench), and now he's about to face a LeBron James and Anthony Davis-led Lakers team. How did Melo face tougher competition.
comparing him to lebron and wade who played in da weakest east ever makes no sense.
melo lost all time great teams like the spurs and the lakers da majority of the time and only lost as a favourite in what? one year? he didnt have a team to compete wit the stacked west full of hall of famers.
lol utah hasnt accomplished shyt, and neither have da clippers. miss me wit that.
melo turned a 17 win team to a 43 team in his first season. never been done before at the time. your hating on him for losing in da playoffs when he had no business there in the first place during those early years lol
he lost to all time great teams. the west was better than, then it is now.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
LeBron and Wade didn't play in the weakest East ever. Late 2000's East was solid.
The weakest East was the one A.I. and Jason Kidd was going to Finals in
In Melo's best playoff run '09 the Hornets had accomplished nothing, the Mavs were perennial chokers, and Kobe was still trying to win his first without Shaq.
Jokic beat a stacked Clippers team led by last years Finals MVP and he's about to face LeBron in the WCF. Melo's '09 run is not more difficult than Jokic this year and Jokic got as much playoff wins and he got better stats.
Smoking With Cigarettes
Superstar
You have no arguments, there is nothing to support that Melo was a more winning Nugget than Jokic in the post season
Aight, I'm done arguing with these cats
No one talks about how Melo stunk it up in the WCF either
Sadbrownsfan
All Star
Probably take Jokic for the playmaking and these playoffs but young Melo played in a different league with the rules and scoring. There’s and even bigger gap there then the raw stats show as a pure bucket getter even when you account for jokers slower start, play style, and getting the keys later.
Did you read what I quoted? It had nothing to do with Melo, dumbass.
murksiderock
Superstar
This is bad posting all over, and the dudes who dapped you are exposing their low basketball IQ and knowledge of history...
Jokic is in Year 5. Melo finished his fifth year in '08, so apples to apples we're comparing 2003-2008 Melo, to 2015-2020 Jokic, and we're not using stats as the major yardstick because of era and positional responsibilities, but era doesn't hinder comparing how guys perform respective to their era...
•you said Carmelo was losing to All-Time great teams in the postseason. The only thing that qualifies in his first five years is losing to the dynastic Spurs in '05 and '07. I'm not holding losing to the MVP and #1 seed Wolves as a rookie against him, but that isn't some All-Time team...
In '06 he got 4-1'd by the Elton Brand Clippers who never accomplished anything significant, and was probably only the fifth best player in that series. In '08 he and Iverson, two of The Coliseum's biggest man crushes, got swept by the Lakers, which was obviously a really good team, but there was only a 7-game gap in the W column between these teams. You mean to tell me AI and Melo weren't good enough to make the series competitive, much less win a game? Yall nikkas swear these dudes were bears but there is evidence on deck to the contrary...
And its another series where Melo isn't the best player on his team...
Conversely, Jokic didn't qualify for the postseason his first three years, he gotta eat that in a H2H vs Melo. These two times he has qualified though, he has won 3 series, which is 3x more than Melo won, and has 15 wins, which is nearly 4x more the playoff games Melo got you...
All things fair, I would say Melo faced tougher teams than '19 Spurs, '19 Blazers, '20 Jazz so far. His performances vs those teams though isnt acceptable...
murksiderock
Superstar
@seemorecizzy you said Melo didn't have help. Dude got to play with one of the premier defensive players of the era in Camby, then also had Iverson, Nene, JR, Miller, and K-Mart in his first 5 years, don't even try it that Melo didn't have sufficient support...
The real thing here is the book was out on Melo a long time ago, he was never an elevator of talent. Jokic is...
•both Melo and Jokic thru their first five years have played in the stronger conference, not sure what your point is...
•Bird as a rookie turned a 29-win team to 61 wins, thats a 32-win differential. Stop it with the Melo shyt...
Majority of you dudes have some of the strangest basketball analysis ever. Its all about bark and flash and trivial shyt that doesn't greatly impact winning. Melo at his best was a great player but as yall do with Iverson, you are overrating his impact on the floor and minimizing his shortcomings. I have him and Jokic at a draw thru 5 years----->I'm not one of these guys jumping out the window and calling Jokic Top 5 yet, and he did miss the playoffs his first three years, and Melo's slate of opponents was a little tougher, and Jokic does find himself in these "back against wall" scenarios far too often for the credibility some wanna give him, he hasn't decisively beaten anyone yet....
But what he has done is performed on a level in money time that Melo didnt match, he's outperformed Melo and elevated a roster of teammates that have been to exactly one conference final before him (Millsap), whereas Melo had a crew of teammates with Finals experience in AI, Camby, Martin, Camby being a former DPOY and Iverson being a former MVP. Jokic has made a team of youngins mature quickly...
Depending how his season ends I may jump him over Melo thru Y5 but one thing is for sure, I've seen enough, he aint inferior to Melo thru 5 years. Not allowing that...
The real thing here is the book was out on Melo a long time ago, he was never an elevator of talent. Jokic is...
•both Melo and Jokic thru their first five years have played in the stronger conference, not sure what your point is...
•Bird as a rookie turned a 29-win team to 61 wins, thats a 32-win differential. Stop it with the Melo shyt...
Majority of you dudes have some of the strangest basketball analysis ever. Its all about bark and flash and trivial shyt that doesn't greatly impact winning. Melo at his best was a great player but as yall do with Iverson, you are overrating his impact on the floor and minimizing his shortcomings. I have him and Jokic at a draw thru 5 years----->I'm not one of these guys jumping out the window and calling Jokic Top 5 yet, and he did miss the playoffs his first three years, and Melo's slate of opponents was a little tougher, and Jokic does find himself in these "back against wall" scenarios far too often for the credibility some wanna give him, he hasn't decisively beaten anyone yet....
But what he has done is performed on a level in money time that Melo didnt match, he's outperformed Melo and elevated a roster of teammates that have been to exactly one conference final before him (Millsap), whereas Melo had a crew of teammates with Finals experience in AI, Camby, Martin, Camby being a former DPOY and Iverson being a former MVP. Jokic has made a team of youngins mature quickly...
Depending how his season ends I may jump him over Melo thru Y5 but one thing is for sure, I've seen enough, he aint inferior to Melo thru 5 years. Not allowing that...
