by the end of Z, Vegeta was the 4th strongest saiyan on earth

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When's the last time Vegeta showed up to a fight slumped? :sas1:

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Piccolo ain't even have time to take off his gear and Gohan aired out
He dont have no type of sympathy on his face. "Wasnt you supposed to be the chosen one little nikka:mjlol:. Smh. Where krillin to hold this light weight:hhh:"
 

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I really wish Ultra Instinct would just go away. Nobody has any idea of wtf it actually is and i hate the fact that its put into the power scaling of individuals when it shouldn't even be considered.

We barely know wtf God ki and SSB is. UI just muddles it even more.

I made a thread a long time ago explaining why SSJ3 was the worst transformation in Dragonball:
SSJ3 is the worst tranformation in DBZ history and I'll tell you why.

But I think Ultra Instinct may take the crown.
 

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GTFOH where this bullshyt. Goku damn well knows he can do the Ultra Instinct. He's fukking with Vegeta just like how he was fukking with him when they fought the second time and could of ate Vegeta's food by going SSJ3 at the time. He didn't and wanted to keep thinks even with him. Vegeta will always be second to Goku. nikka even gave him some of his power to fight Jiren since he knew if any nikka was going to beat him it's Goku.

Bullshyt goku needs another type of jiren ass whooping to get that level again
He may have won but he never got his ass beat so bad so often to where he needed 2 diff transformations to even beat the guy
He got knocked back to base mode by jiren more than whole z timeline combined
Funny thing is the gap ain't even huge with MUI and jiren
 

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Bullshyt goku needs another type of jiren ass whooping to get that level again
He may have won but he never got his ass beat so bad so often to where he needed 2 diff transformations to even beat the guy
He got knocked back to base mode by jiren more than whole z timeline combined
Funny thing is the gap ain't even huge with MUI and jiren

Broly in this movie is supposedly stronger than jiren and beerus. So best believe goku is going ultra instinct in the movie.
 

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Broly in this movie is supposedly stronger than jiren and beerus. So best believe goku is going ultra instinct in the movie.

I've said my part bout that
If goku ain't MUI in movie wont mean jack shyt cuz we have no way of powerscaling let alone shyt is already fukked up.
If he is MUI broly has to show he is stronger by alot
If they pull that fusion shyt before he goes MUI how can we go by that unless gogeta has serious problems and I say him since they rescreening fusion reborn like it's a big hint

I'm already irked how the director said this



Makes no sense cuz at end of super they both are equal cant say he has MUI when he can't even do it of own will and got it by accident
Also both are God level
If goku and jiren keep same power level at end tournament like his MUI
They are both above God level but below angel level
Whis dont forget said jiren at the first encounter was above God of destruction level
Which people need to accept means all of the Gods period than not just his clearly stated above god level and goku beat jiren so he is with him

Its just he dont know how to activate it or how he got it which implies they rebooted him again
 
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