PharaohAtem
King Of Egypt.
Goku did not lose to Majin Vegeta
He didn't win either.Goku did not lose to Majin Vegeta
We arent even talking about super saiyan 3. Vegeta only fought on par with saj2 goku AFTER babadi power buffed him. Even with your "well it didnt exist" ,even though nothing else fukking existed before toriyama created it but whatever, vegeta needed help to not even win.And the thing that's killing me is saying since SSJ3 didn't exist at the time it doesn't count as if that wasn't written into the story anyway.
Of all the things Toriyama pulled out his ass that altered previous events THAT'S the one you choose not to acknowledge to protect your precious Prince
At best you can say their first fight was a draw given what it did to their egos. But it affected Vegeta far worse than it did Goku and that's one of the most defining parts of Vegeta's character. It was an L the moment he created the fake moon.
Uh trainingCare to explain how Goku reached that level? I mean... no one saw it seeing how it happened off-screen.
Uh, read my post again. We agree.We arent even talking about super saiyan 3. Vegeta only fought on par with saj2 goku AFTER babadi power buffed him. Even with your "well it didnt exist" ,even though nothing else fukking existed before toriyama created it but whatever, vegeta needed help to not even win.
Uh training
That's just Vegeta's pride talking. In his mind, he should have been able to dispose all of them regardless because he looked at himself as so much more powerful than Goku and co (which he was).Vegeta considered the first fight with Goku an L so it's an L
nah some people are just born to be bad fathersUh training
Uh where's the proof? Back your shyt up. The last transformation we saw him get was Super Saiyan God and he didn't get it from training. Everytime he returns from being dead in the other world he has a new technique which requires him to borrow someone else's power.Uh training
Goku is a system saiyantruly a lower class saiyan if you think about it. If Goku didn't have an entire repertoire of stolen techniques, how far does he really go?
he beat Nappa, sure, but Nappa was the equivalent of a babysitter or caregiver the best Goku ever did was father Gohan then walk out of his life
Kakarot never beat Vegeta!Vegeta stans stay desperate for a win like their sad excuse for a prince