Bulma didn't have to do chi chi like that

Emoryal

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And the thing that's killing me is saying since SSJ3 didn't exist at the time it doesn't count as if that wasn't written into the story anyway.

Of all the things Toriyama pulled out his ass that altered previous events THAT'S the one you choose not to acknowledge to protect your precious Prince :mjlol:

At best you can say their first fight was a draw given what it did to their egos. But it affected Vegeta far worse than it did Goku and that's one of the most defining parts of Vegeta's character. It was an L the moment he created the fake moon.
We arent even talking about super saiyan 3. Vegeta only fought on par with saj2 goku AFTER babadi power buffed him. Even with your "well it didnt exist" ,even though nothing else fukking existed before toriyama created it but whatever, vegeta needed help to not even win.
 

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We arent even talking about super saiyan 3. Vegeta only fought on par with saj2 goku AFTER babadi power buffed him. Even with your "well it didnt exist" ,even though nothing else fukking existed before toriyama created it but whatever, vegeta needed help to not even win.
Uh, read my post again. We agree.
 

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Vegeta considered the first fight with Goku an L so it's an L :yeshrug:
That's just Vegeta's pride talking. In his mind, he should have been able to dispose all of them regardless because he looked at himself as so much more powerful than Goku and co (which he was).

But in a reality, that wasn't an L at all for Vegeta. He didnt even need to take on his Oozaru form. Like another poster said, Goku was going Kaiyoken x3 & x4 just to get barely get ahead of Vegeta. His body wasn't able to handle it. Even without the transformation, Vegeta would have won because Goku would have run out of energy
 
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Uh training
Uh where's the proof? Back your shyt up. The last transformation we saw him get was Super Saiyan God and he didn't get it from training. Everytime he returns from being dead in the other world he has a new technique which requires him to borrow someone else's power.
 

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truly a lower class saiyan if you think about it. If Goku didn't have an entire repertoire of stolen techniques, how far does he really go? :patrice:

he beat Nappa, sure, but Nappa was the equivalent of a babysitter or caregiver :jbhmm: the best Goku ever did was father Gohan then walk out of his life :wow:
Goku is a system saiyan
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Man if a nikka weaker than you starts punching the shyt out of you at full strength, and you dont fight back at full capabilities because your holding your strength back for when you really need it... its an L but not really. Thats like if Alis rope a dope got cut off and the fight ended there, technicaly he would have lost but did he really knowing what we know?
So goku-vegeta is really 1-1 its not 0-2. Either way Goku still doesnt have a CLEAR win against vegs but derek vegeta didnt not wash goatku twice
 
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