Bruno Mars hammered for Cultural appropriation

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A lot of good points have been made in this thread on both sides tbh (and I have dapped accordingly).

I don't have a dog in this fight cause I don't like Bruno and never have, his whole sound/aesthetic is annoying to me and always has been. BUT, I don't see how you can fault a man for doing music in the style he's most comfortable with and grew up around. The genres he's "copying" now are the same ones who influenced him as a youth. So he should just what, not make music? Bite another, unfamiliar genre's style, fake it and flop?

On the other hand, I also think it's stupid to act shocked and outraged when black people - who have seen their culture stolen and repacked WITHOUT proper credit or even royalties for DECADES - get mad when they feel like they're seeing it happen all over again. Are they right in this instance? Not really, but their concerns are not without merit.

Like I said, I don't like Bruno but I do feel like he is 100% THE WORST example to use for this argument because he is CONSTANTLY giving praise and credit - by NAME! not just vaguely referencing genres or eras like a lot of folks do - where it's due. What the hell more do you want??? And if the answer is you'd rather he just not exist then SAY THAT.

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Im confused. Is this nikka NOT supposed to make the type of music he’s been a fan of since a kid? Is he only supposed to make Hawaiian or Phillipino music or some shyt? Im one of the FIRST people to call out culture vultures n shyt but its not like this dude is running around disrespecting legends, not giving props, or only has white people in his videos. This nikka dont run around acting like he created the shyt. Or none of that. See. This is the problem I have with social media. People yell some shyt loud enough and have the gift of gab and a bunch of gullible ass people follow behind it acting like they “woke” but be the most sleep muthafukkas out there. U ask em some shyt about something important and what’s REALLY affecting us as a people and what THEY are doing to help change it and its all crickets. The issue is not really Bruno himself. Its the system around Bruno but u can’t attack Bruno for that shyt. There’s a bigger picture yet people always wanna go for the easy targets.

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Where's the line between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation? And what about cultural acceptance? I mean if Bruno Mars is making new jack swing music and is winning grammy and billboard awards, then that would mean that black people as consumers have accepted him and the black musicians/artists have allowed him into that space as well. How much responsibility are we supposed to be putting on ourselves for assisting Bruno's rise to fame? Or is this all white people's fault?

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Notice that it's a global thing. Everybody is involved in making an artist pop and their records hit. If you remove any factor: the artist, the fans, the influences, those who opened doors, for them, the labels, their connections, who discovered them, etc. then you don't have the success. If any of those pieces weren't there - then they wouldn't be who they are. It takes a perfect storm to be on that stage.

That's just life. That's just facts. Anybody really trying to debate this? Get real.

I hate to go here, but some folks wouldn't be happy unless they're in Bruno's spot. Same folks probably have their own complaints about other black artists.

If you hate it so much, take your shot and see if you're chosen. Only time anybody knows they "have" what it takes is when they get there.
 
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Been saying this since Sony replaced Lauryn Hill with Alicia Keys, lighter, racially ambiguous less politics and less "angry"
:what: nikka Alicia wasnt ANYTHING like Lauryn Hill. And Lauryn Hill stopped making her own shyt. Her life got in the way. There was other brown skin female singers out at the time. Do u even remember that era? What a dumb ass comparison.
 

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The only thing I'm happy about is that cacs have zero creativity. Hence, they jack music off us but it always dies a natural death. Meanwhile, blacks will have moved on to some other new shyt. Rinse and repeat.

Blues, Jazz. Rock & Roll all fell off because the cacs couldn't innovate the music.
 

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You never quoted me what are talking about?:heh:
I know the definition of finnese so save your breath.
Yes, I did. If you know then why use it as an argument against Bruno Mars for using it correctly?
 

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I should add... for all you Bruno bros (and even antis) who claimed black people are "responsible" for his popularity anyway..the black dollar is powerful but it's not making superstars out of anyone alone.

It sounds really dumb to claim black folks only care about appealing to a wider audience for that sweet, sweet "white acceptance" - and THAT'S why they're mad - as if money suddenly doesn't exist. What musicians - outside of maybe vintage nightclub singer/hobbyists and shytty garage bands - DON'T want to appeal to the widest possible audience?

And I peeped some of the bullshyt being said here about how oh...w...well, black artists should just stop trying to "appeal to white people!", as if ANYBODY could maintain a successful career long term by ONLY appealing to 13% of the population. And lets be real here, the true %age would be much lower given that the number of black folks under, say 35, is way less than 13%. Who the fukk is putting all the requisite time/money/energy into a venture that will yield them the least possible ROI??
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And before getting emotional, really think about that shyt as a person living in 2018. In an era where the internet has made it possible to have all your favorite songs/artists at your fingertips within a matter of seconds for FREE.

But hey, keep pretending artists don't have to actually be profitable to continue and ignoring the fact that if you're not demonstrating crossover/mass-market appeal (i.e., an ability to generate large sums of money) you're dead to your label and WILL be dropped.
Nah nikka this is bullshyt caping for them nikkas that want white acceptance. Funny you talk about emotional while being that yourself. Nobody said artist don't have to be profitable but we can't act like if white folks don't get in nikkas going to be broke out here either. What kinda white folks are the gate keeper dikk eating you on?
 

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I called her a bird because her arguments were flawed and purposely omitted information that would undermine her argument. Michael Jackson won “Album of the Year” for Thriller and Stevie Wonder won Album of the Year 3 times.

Another point is Lionel Richie beat out Purple Rain for Album of the Year in 1985. This information is readily available over the internet.

She says BM copied other artists from that album word for word when it’s not a cover album. Makes matters worse is some of the most popular records are covers. The epitome being Whitney Houston’s I Will Always Love You.

Hip-hop right now is sampling a lot of records from the same era and not being risk takers and innovative like she accused BM of.

That’s a problem when we only listen to loudness and not content.

Michael Jackson did Dirty Diana. Let’s not go to Tina Turner.

I know Rock n Roll is an AA genre but not the variation they were singing.
@Stacker Pentecost this is for you...

Whitney Houston covered Dolly Parton's record. An anglo woman.
 

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The one thing I do agree with is that when black folk created a genre (or anything really) it's not recognized. But when non-black people do/use it (the same thing), then it's lauded, awarded, and embraced en masse. That is aggravating. Very aggravating.
Who cares besides people like you looking for acceptance? Sometimes it takes folks that look like you and or just closer to period regardless of race to put you on to something you wouldn't gave a chance otherwise.
 

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if that's what you got from what she said, your comprehension levels are really, really low
Man shut up. You sound like a hoe ass nikka.

That's exactly what she's mad about, or else she wouldn't have bought it up . That was nothing more than a plea for white people to like black music made by black people, instead of just liking what you like .
 

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The word, Finesse?
If you know what drippin means you would know that "drippin in finnese" is fukking stupid.
If he woulda said drippin WITH finnese it woulda been fine.
Finnese is not something you can be "in" or have on you so it makes zero sense.

What is there to argue about?:heh:
 

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If you know what drippin means you would know that "drippin in finnese" is fukking stupid.
If he woulda said drippin WITH finnese it woulda been fine.
Finnese is not something you can be "in" or have on you so it makes zero sense.

What is there to argue about?:heh:
Dripping as in covered and overflowing in finesse.

You're not that much of a hater. Can't be.
 
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