Brian Windhorst: Some NBA players are frustrated with Kawhi Leonard getting too much love

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Kawhi isn't a top 3 player
Kawhi isn't a top 5 offensive player

We can revisit this in the playoffs and next season, but at this stage he doesn't have the resume to be ranked that high.

25 a night on 50,40,90 yes he is a top 5 offensive player

And he's the best defender in the league 2 years running with a ring and finals MVP to boot.

Stop it.

Who are your top 10 players btw? I'm curious
 
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Not sure y u tagged me on this topic
Because I saw that sneak diss dap. :mjpls:
Said we lost that one in a classic playoff game probably best round 1 series of all time that I can recall

As far as injuries goes it was on both sides
Blake quad if memory serves me correct he still wasn't over
Paul hammy that he got in game 7
Parker hamstrings and ankle he never got over
Splitter back he never got over

It is what it is we lost simple as that :manny:
Dap for not making excuses and propagandizing why you lost. Because that's exactly what happened - both teams were dealing with injuries and neither team were at a deficit through ailments that took them out of the contest.

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That does not make him a top 5 player offensively. All players who're either definitively or arguably better on offense -

Curry
KD
LeBron
Westbrook
Boogie
AD
Paul
Harden
Giannis

Melo is a better offensive player than everyone you listed, BYE!
 

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What the fukk are you even talking about? What the fukk does that have to do with what I said? Let me remind you on how this started:






I responded with -

Here the cornball @duckbutta is on his usual Spurs agitprop bullshyt; detailing injuries that the Spurs were dealing with as reason for why they lost, failing to acknowledge that the Clippers were dealing with injuries to their two best players - one of whom (CP3) was playing on one leg in G7. He can't use the excuse of injuries in this context, because the Clippers were dealing with injuries of their own - which arguably were more serious than those the Spurs had to deal with.

@Freddie.Cane @malbaker86 @twan83 @AlbertPullhoez can get some of this too. :mjpls:

Like clockwork.......
 
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Melo is a better offensive player than everyone you listed, BYE!
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I think it's time for you to log off. But before you do, lemme hit you with this heater -

Spurs face challenge of guarding OKC's stars

Big Dummy, Kawhi was guarding WestBrick whom he held to 32% shooting when he was the primary defender (the same Russ that looked like '93 Jordan in the WCF before he gassed out). Russ scored a bunch of point in transition when AARP Tim/Diaw/West were blowing layup.



Kawhi outplayed Durant in Gm 5 & it was Aldridge who went completely ghost after he blew his load in Gm 1-2. (Refs also rewarded Durant two FTs for committing an offensive foul w/ the game tied at 90 then topped it off by giving WestBrick an And-1 after he was intentionally fouled)



The only time Kawhi checked Durant was when he already rolling which is like being asked to put out a warehouse fire w/ a garden hose.


Most of what you posted is utter nonsense, but I'd just like to focus in on this:

  • Kawhi did NOT hold Westbrook to 32% shooting when he was the primary defender - in fact if my memory serves me correctly he actually shot close to 50% against Kawhi. Edit: Actually I see that NTJ's stat account is Westbrook shot 11/22 against Kawhi in that series.
  • Kawhi did NOT lock up Westbrook, if you actually bothered to watch your own video you posted you'd see this. NTJ has a tendency to cozen for views by aggrandizing titles.
  • There were a # of fouls/non-fouls that were in the Spurs' favor in G5 as well (as typical of the last 10 years - I doubt any team has benefited more than they have in the last decade) - particularly in the 2nd/3rd quarters.
  • I notice how you only brought up G5 where Kawhi outplayed Durant - failing to mention any other game where Durant more often than not outplayed him and over the series as a whole.
  • Kawhi didn't only check Durant when he was already rolling, and really what difference does it make if he was hot or not? Clearly you're trying to excuse Kawhi for Durant scoring on him with this vacuous reasoning as if it somehow takes away from the FACT that Durant outplayed him in that series. There was no point in you responding to the initial point that was being contested from @duckbutta - that 'Kawhi sonned KD last season' - because quite clearly he was blatantly wrong.




NOBODY should be talking about how Kawhi "sonned" Durant when this is what's happened when they've met in the playoffs -

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25 a night on 50,40,90 yes he is a top 5 offensive player
That does NOT make him a top 5 offensive player. I don't know how you're parameterizing offensive impact/skillsets, but I can assure you it's not done in that manner. Especially considering that this is Kawhi's first season where he's putting up those type of scoring #s. Players like Curry, Harden, Westbrook, LeBron, AD, Boogie etc etc have done it for longer and on higher volume. And that's before we get into players like Curry, Westbrook, LeBron, CP3, Lowry etc etc who can actually run an elite offense.

When he's been strictly the #1 a/b option in the playoffs he's failed to have any elite impact on offense in any series.
And he's the best defender in the league 2 years running with a ring and finals MVP to boot.
Draymond has been the best defender for two years running, but that's neither here nor there. He won the Finals MVP because he limited the best player in the world while putting up mid-level offensive #s, not because he had an all-time great Finals performance. I don't know why you're using his Finals MVP/ring as if it has any relevance to this discussion, he was never a dominant player at that time.
Who are your top 10 players btw? I'm curious
In no specific order:

KD (top 3)
Curry (top 3)
LeBron (top 3)
AD
Westbrook
Cousins
Kawhi
Harden
Butler
Giannis

A few of those are interchangeable (M.Gasol, Kyrie, Lowry, Wall, PG etc etc to name a few).
 
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What the fukk are you even talking about? What the fukk does that have to do with what I said? Let me remind you on how this started:






I responded with -

Here the cornball @duckbutta is on his usual Spurs agitprop bullshyt; detailing injuries that the Spurs were dealing with as reason for why they lost, failing to acknowledge that the Clippers were dealing with injuries to their two best players - one of whom (CP3) was playing on one leg in G7. He can't use the excuse of injuries in this context, because the Clippers were dealing with injuries of their own - which arguably were more serious than those the Spurs had to deal with.

@Freddie.Cane @malbaker86 @twan83 @AlbertPullhoez can get some of this too. :mjpls:
:mjgrin: what up gil
 

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That does NOT make him a top 5 offensive player. I don't know how you're parameterizing offensive impact/skillsets, but I can assure you it's not done in that manner. Especially considering that this is Kawhi's first season where he's putting up those type of scoring #s. Players like Curry, Harden, Westbrook, LeBron, AD, Boogie etc etc have done it for longer and on higher volume. And that's before we get into players like Curry, Westbrook, LeBron, CP3, Lowry etc etc who can actually run an elite offense.

When he's been strictly the #1 a/b option in the playoffs he's failed to have any elite impact on offense in any series.

Draymond has been the best defender for two years running, but that's neither here nor there. He won the Finals MVP because he limited the best player in the world while putting up mid-level offensive #s, not because he had an all-time great Finals performance. I don't know why you're using his Finals MVP/ring as if it has any relevance to this discussion, he was never a dominant player at that time.

In no specific order:

KD (top 3)
Curry (top 3)
LeBron (top 3)
AD
Westbrook
Cousins
Kawhi
Harden
Butler
Giannis

A few of those are interchangeable (M.Gasol, Kyrie, Lowry, Wall, PG etc etc to name a few).

You said his resume not good enough for him to be top 3 but when i mention what he's done you say your not sure why I'm bringing his accomplishments up:gucci:

You can keep him out your top 5 if you want to,but he's in mine fasho :yeshrug:
 

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Young GOAT with the haters :spurs:


That's how you know it's real :wow:

nikkas in here crazy

This nikka Kawhi is back to back bear defender in the world

Got the spurs the second best record in the league

And averaging 25 a night on:

50% shooting from the field
41% from 3
90% from the line

The fukk is wrong wit em???
 

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You said his resume not good enough for him to be top 3 but when i mention what he's done you say your not sure why I'm bringing his accomplishments up:gucci:

You can keep him out your top 5 if you want to,but he's in mine fasho :yeshrug:

Saying Kawhi doesn't have the resume to be in the top 3-5 but what exactly has Boogie Cousins, Butler, Giannis, and AD done resume wise to be in the top 10 if he wants to use that logic? nikkaz is weird when it comes to Kawhi on this board.
 

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Saying Kawhi doesn't have the resume but what exactly has Boogie Cousins, Butler, Giannis, and AD done resume wise to be in the top 10 if he wants to use that logic? nikkaz is weird when it comes to Kawhi on this board.

My point exactly lol nikkas saying AD Boogie Giannis like how??!! Lmao yea they great individual talent but it's more to it when ranking these guys.

All Kawhi needed to do was have his offensive game catch up with his defensive game and it was a wrap and he's done that.

Only dudes rated higher than Kawhi is Lebron and KD nobody else has a valid reason to be rated higher than Kawhi. NOBODY
 

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The coli sure does have a problem supporting a black man with cornrows and tattoos :mjpls:

I wonder why :mjpls:

Coli didn't have any problem calling Steph the greatest shooter ever during his 50 40 90 season :mjpls:

Sure is quiet about Kawhi doing the same right now though :mjpls:

It aint really hard to spell but some posters on here butcher his name every single time :mjpls:
 
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