Brian Scalabrine: Kobe is top 15-25 player of all time
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Kobe a better shooter, scorer and defender than Magic.
Yes they are
How is he better?
If Perkins doesn't get hurt so the Celtics get dominated on the boards in Game 7, the Lakers lose in 7. - 2010
If Artest doesn't make that three and Gasol doesn't get that offensive board off that awful Kobe miss, the game probably goes to overtime or is lost. - 2010
If Portland doesn't miss 13 straight open jump shots in the fourth, Lakers don't even make the Finals. - 2000
If the Lakers aren't given 24 free throws in the 4th against the Kings, they lose in 6. - 2002
If the Lakers aren't completely given the 4th by the refs against the Timberwolves, they're down 3-1. - 2002
There's literally ONE Laker championship that would have gone the other way if not for a factor or two or three that had very, very little to do with Kobe. And people rarely bring it up. But Kobestans are constantly bringing up the fact that one player made 1 shot in a game and series where Lebron played far better than Kobe has ever played in the Finals at any time in his life.
So LeBron in that finals was better than the Kobe who was averaging 31 7 and 5 versus the Magic? Aight bet. The rest of your post was garbage. You don't criticize someone's logic by arguing with the same faulty logic unless your intention is to be satirical.
Goatpoacher
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We'll add "irony" to the list of words you use without understanding. You're obviously braindead so I'm not sure why you're impressed by what you say...unlesss you're a high school dropout and a confused CAC.
Just trying to gain attention cuz he's the worst host on NBA radio.The only person on that channel that makes me turn it off when he comes on.He's a clown.
So 32-7-5 on 42% shooting must be WAY better than 35-13-9 on 40% shooting, right?
Oh, I forgot, shoddy shooting percentages can only be offset by high scoring totals if your name is Kobe.
Yes, Lebron's finals against the Spurs was better than Kobe's against the Magic.
Lebron averaged 25-11-7 on 45/35/80 shooting splits against arguably the best defense in the league, while individually guarded by Kawhi the whole time. In the 2 must-win games, put up 32-10-12 and 37-12-4. Two all-time Finals records - most points for a Game 7 winner, and most triple-doubles in a Finals. Had huge 4th quarters where he was clearly the best player and hit huge shots in both series-defining games.
Kobe averaged 32-7-5 on 42/36/84 shooting splits against a great Orlando defense, but he was personally guarded by Lee and Pietrus. The same defense that Lebron had just put up 38-8-8 on while Cleveland averaged 101 points/game. Kobe didn't have a great fourth quarter the entire series, and in the games that were close (3, 4, 5, with two of those going to overtime), Kobe didn't make the most meaningful shots in any of them - Gasol and Fisher did, not just once or twice, but over and over again.
And that's his best Finals.
Yeah, I'd say that Lebron's 2013 Finals was more impressive.
That's a pretty good "unless" you're throwing in there. I thought it was a little obvious.
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They have the same amount of MVPs.
The same amount of Finals MVPs. Kobe has more rings which is the go-to argument for every Bean dikk-rider, but Shaq is responsible for those 3. For his first "ring" Kobe averaged 15.6ppg on 37% shooting, something Kobe stans seem to consistently overlook.That's not to say Kobe didn't play a huge role..but he wouldn't have gotten them without Shaq. On the other hand, Hakeem has as many FMVPS as Kobe while playing on a Rockets team that was objectively speaking, ass, outside of him. All the while shytting on rival bigs en route to his ring and actually posting good NBA finals numbers as the man, something Kobe has never done. (If you're going to say he has then you also have to admit LeBron's 2015 Finals Performance was great, b/c much like Kobe, he posted 28+ ppg on shoddy percentages. But you won't do that, b/c you're a Kobe stan.)
Hakeem is one of the most dominant defensive players EVER. 2x DPOY. Is the all time blocks leader. Averaged 3+ blocks for his career and had multiple 4+ block seasons, including a season where he posted 4.6 per game. Even more impressive when you consider he was the main option and offense and carried the load. I get it, I get it, not fair to compare the defense of a big to a guard. But the fact of the matter is, Olajuwon literally carried the load for his team on both ends of the floor at all times in his prime--something Kobe can't say.
And getting outside the numbers for a minute, Hakeem is revolutionary. He was doing things that were absolutely unheard for big men at the time and even most modern bigs, no matter how much $$$ they pay to get tutoring from him and other coaches, have failed to replicate his game. Meanwhile, Kobe's entire game came straight out of "How to be a poor-man's Michael Jordan" for $2.99.
nikka please.
All-time rankings are inclusive of everything in a player's career ie success, skill, longevity, impact, etc. Objectively, I just don't see where Hakeem is far, far ahead of Kobe at an all-time level and most people would agree. Hakeem at the moment is at 11-12 in my opinion. Kobe anywhere from 8-10. Not a huge difference at all.
Let's go back to Kobe for a second.
- 2 Olympic Gold Medals
- 5-time NBA champion
- 2 time Finals MVP
- NBA MVP
- 11-time All-NBA 1st Team (NBA record)
- 2 time All-NBA 2nd Team
- 2 time All-NBA 3rd Team
- 9 time All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
- 3 time All-NBA Defensive 2nd Team
- 2 time scoring champion
- 17 time NBA All-Star
- 4 time All-Star MVP
- 3rd leading scorer of all time
- 7 NBA Finals appearances
- 15 playoff appearances
- 20 seasons played
He's widely considered the 2nd best SG of all time, and the best SG of his era. And as much you want to criticize his style of play and whatnot, he's consistently been of the league's most popular players and we really haven't seen a player with his total skill set since MJ.
You can talk about the teams and players Kobe had around him and the ones Hakeem didn't...the strength of their organizations, the competition, etc, etc but at the end of the day he didn't win as much and didn't produce at a high level for as long as Kobe. Simple as that.
Again, if we're talking about primes, the list looks a lot different...
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HOW IS IT NOT IRONIC THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING UNDER THE SAME BREATH OF DOING THAT EXACT THING? LIKE I SAID, U TRYIN TOO HARD. RELAX.
Goatpoacher
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Foxmulder
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339 replies on something Brian fukking Scalabrine said.
You dudes just love to argue about the same stupid shyt week after week year after year.
Bilz
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Some people just can't take a compliment
You're talking all time. Scal was talking about 10 years from now that there will be players that surpass him. The premise of this thread is about Scal's opinion. Not yours
Like I said before, I don't care about the ranking. He's my favorite player. That's what matters to me.
my bad. i missed that part. he still has a point tho.
did yall have kobe, lebron or duncan in your top 15s & 10s back in 2006?
im sure scalabrine knows kobe won rings without shaq. he was on a rival team during that time(or right before it). its understood what he meant tho.