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the counter-argument (switzerland) presents a stronger argument (in this regard).
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the counter-argument (switzerland) presents a stronger argument (in this regard).
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'I made a huge mistake': Brexit-voting Briton can't get visa to live in his £43k Italian home
A 35-year-old graphic designer from Bristol told i he wishes he could 'turn back time and vote Remain'
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‘I made a huge mistake’: Brexit-voting Briton can’t get visa to live in his £43,000 Italian home
A 35-year-old graphic designer from Bristol told i he wishes he could ‘turn back time and vote Remain’
Ben (real name withheld), from Bristol, bought a four-bedroom cottage near Lake Turano, near Rome, two years ago – but can’t live in it full time (Photo: Riccardo Fabi/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
By Silvia Marchetti
August 7, 2023 1:50 pm(Updated 5:59 pm)
ROME – A 35-year-old Briton who voted for Brexit says he made “a huge mistake” and is now paying the price after failing to obtain a long-term visa that would allow him to live in his new Italian home.
Ben, a graphic designer from Bristol whose real name i has agreed to withhold, bought a four-bedroom cottage near Lake Turano, near Rome, for €50,000 (£43,000), two years ago.
But despite spending €60,000 (£52,000) on renovations and turning half the property into a bed and breakfast, he has failed to reach the minimum annual income to get the long-term elective residency visa (ERV).
“I was so wrong, and my application was rejected. I felt like dying, all my dreams were shattered,” he told i.
“I voted for Brexit because I thought it was actually going to make it easier for me to buy a home and live in the Med, so many American friends of mine have one and they’re non-European.
“Now I wish I could turn back time and vote Remain. I made a huge mistake.”
Ben is not the first Brexit-voting Briton to be blindsided by the new rules on travel and emigration to Europe after the UK left the European Union.
Last month, Greg Walter, a retiree from Winchester, told i he felt “betrayed” after voting for Brexit and then finding himself unable to get a visa to live in his Italian home full-time.
i contacted other Britons with second homes in Italy who initially gave their consent to a story then withdrew it over fears Italian consulates may penalise them for sharing their experience with the media.
The requirement to obtain an ERV is having a “passive” annual income of €31,000 (£27,000) per person, or €38,000 (£33,000) per year for couples, from pensions, annuities or rentals.
Ben is single and not retired, but thought revenues from running a B&B would qualify as a rental. When the consulate rejected his application he was told that having a B&B is “active income”, and that he would need to rent his whole Italian property on a fixed term if he wanted this to qualify – meaning he could not live in it himself.
He plans to re-apply next year but fears a rejection from the Italian consulate in London if he talks openly about his situation.
“It’s so complicated, they never gave me any information or assistance, now I’m scared that if I openly criticise them, they’ll reject my second application as vengeance,” he said.
He has decided to keep his Italian cottage tenant-free and will soon start renting on a permanent basis a three-bedroom apartment he owns in Brighton, confident it will qualify next time as “passive income”.
Immigration lawyer Elze Obrikyte at Giambrone & Partners in Palermo, who assists British visa applicants for Italy, believes their fears are partly justified.
“It is extremely hard to get a ERV, the rate of rejection is above 50 per cent and granting it is at the discretion of the single officer who handles the application and may freely interpret the rules when it comes to income requirements, so I understand applicants’ concerns in going public,” the lawyer told i.
The Italian consulate in London, which deals with the largest chunk of visa applications in the UK, dismissed claims there could ever be “payback” when contacted by i.
In a written email, it said that any statements to journalists by visa applicants “are in no case taken into account and the activity of the office in the examination of visa applications is substantiated only and exclusively in the verification of the possession of the requirements of the current legislation by the applicants”.
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love all these stories about Brits very much using Schengen and other benefits and still voting Leave. I have a whole lot of issues with the EU and the way it's operating, but I'd never vote for entirely leaving it.
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'I made a huge mistake': Brexit-voting Briton can't get visa to live in his £43k Italian home
A 35-year-old graphic designer from Bristol told i he wishes he could 'turn back time and vote Remain'
"I made a huge mistake, please withhold my name...", then promptly tells the paper about his property and where it's located, what he does, how much it's worth, etc.
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That West Country bumpkin thought that leaving the EU would make things easier.'I made a huge mistake': Brexit-voting Briton can't get visa to live in his £43k Italian home
A 35-year-old graphic designer from Bristol told i he wishes he could 'turn back time and vote Remain'
‘I made a huge mistake’: Brexit-voting Briton can’t get visa to live in his £43,000 Italian home
A 35-year-old graphic designer from Bristol told i he wishes he could ‘turn back time and vote Remain’
Ben (real name withheld), from Bristol, bought a four-bedroom cottage near Lake Turano, near Rome, two years ago – but can’t live in it full time (Photo: Riccardo Fabi/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
By Silvia Marchetti
August 7, 2023 1:50 pm(Updated 5:59 pm)
ROME – A 35-year-old Briton who voted for Brexit says he made “a huge mistake” and is now paying the price after failing to obtain a long-term visa that would allow him to live in his new Italian home.
Ben, a graphic designer from Bristol whose real name i has agreed to withhold, bought a four-bedroom cottage near Lake Turano, near Rome, for €50,000 (£43,000), two years ago.
But despite spending €60,000 (£52,000) on renovations and turning half the property into a bed and breakfast, he has failed to reach the minimum annual income to get the long-term elective residency visa (ERV).
“I was so wrong, and my application was rejected. I felt like dying, all my dreams were shattered,” he told i.
“I voted for Brexit because I thought it was actually going to make it easier for me to buy a home and live in the Med, so many American friends of mine have one and they’re non-European.
The 35-year-old graphic designer has converted half his property near the picturesque lake into a bed and breakfast – but his visa application was rejected (Photo: Silvia Marchetti)
“Now I wish I could turn back time and vote Remain. I made a huge mistake.”
Ben is not the first Brexit-voting Briton to be blindsided by the new rules on travel and emigration to Europe after the UK left the European Union.
Last month, Greg Walter, a retiree from Winchester, told i he felt “betrayed” after voting for Brexit and then finding himself unable to get a visa to live in his Italian home full-time.
i contacted other Britons with second homes in Italy who initially gave their consent to a story then withdrew it over fears Italian consulates may penalise them for sharing their experience with the media.
The requirement to obtain an ERV is having a “passive” annual income of €31,000 (£27,000) per person, or €38,000 (£33,000) per year for couples, from pensions, annuities or rentals.
Ben is single and not retired, but thought revenues from running a B&B would qualify as a rental. When the consulate rejected his application he was told that having a B&B is “active income”, and that he would need to rent his whole Italian property on a fixed term if he wanted this to qualify – meaning he could not live in it himself.
He plans to re-apply next year but fears a rejection from the Italian consulate in London if he talks openly about his situation.
“It’s so complicated, they never gave me any information or assistance, now I’m scared that if I openly criticise them, they’ll reject my second application as vengeance,” he said.
He has decided to keep his Italian cottage tenant-free and will soon start renting on a permanent basis a three-bedroom apartment he owns in Brighton, confident it will qualify next time as “passive income”.
Immigration lawyer Elze Obrikyte at Giambrone & Partners in Palermo, who assists British visa applicants for Italy, believes their fears are partly justified.
“It is extremely hard to get a ERV, the rate of rejection is above 50 per cent and granting it is at the discretion of the single officer who handles the application and may freely interpret the rules when it comes to income requirements, so I understand applicants’ concerns in going public,” the lawyer told i.
The Italian consulate in London, which deals with the largest chunk of visa applications in the UK, dismissed claims there could ever be “payback” when contacted by i.
In a written email, it said that any statements to journalists by visa applicants “are in no case taken into account and the activity of the office in the examination of visa applications is substantiated only and exclusively in the verification of the possession of the requirements of the current legislation by the applicants”.
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Make it make senseThat West Country bumpkin thought that leaving the EU would make things easier.
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Outrage at study claiming Brexit voters are 'less intelligent' than Remainers
EXCLUSIVE: Leave voters are "older and wiser" than Remain voters despite a study appearing to claim the opposite, a top Brexiteer MP told Express.co.uk.
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Fury at study claiming Brexit voters are 'less intelligent' than Remainers
EXCLUSIVE: Leave voters are "older and wiser" than Remain voters despite a study appearing to claim the opposite, a top Brexiteer MP told Express.co.uk.
By SAM STEVENSON, Political News Editor11:05, Fri, Nov 24, 2023 | UPDATED: 12:37, Fri, Nov 24, 2023
Outrage at claim Brexit voters are 'less intelligent' than Remainers (Image: GETTY)
Brexiteers have responded with fury to a new study claiming Britons who voted to leave the EU are less intelligent than those who voted to remain.
The largest of its kind, Understanding Society is a longitudinal UK household study with the aim of "capturing life in the UK in the 21st century".
Academics at the University of Bath analysed 3,183 couples involved in the study, which recently added questions about how people voted in the 2016 referendum.
Among those surveyed for the research in the top 10 percent by a cognitive performance metric, 73 percent voted to remain in the EU. And in the bottom 10 percent by the same measure, only 40 percent did.
Reclaim MP Andrew Bridgen argued the study demonstrated evidence of “indoctrination of younger people”, pointing to the fact the “older and wiser” in our society tended to vote Leave.
The Brexiteer told Express.co.uk: “This like so much in the legacy media is what they would like to be true and what they want you to believe.
“It may be true that people who are more ‘educated’ had a propensity to vote Remain at the referendum, but that is more down to indoctrination than any measure of intelligence.
“It is a fact that people of high intelligence ‘free and critical thinkers’ are often the ones who challenge the ‘official narrative’.
“It’s encouraging that in 2016 such individuals were still in the majority slightly. I hope given the many false narratives pushed to the public since the referendum, this remains the case today.
“The older and wiser in our society tended to vote to leave the younger and more indoctrinated tended to vote to remain.
“When the current narratives unravel as they shortly will, it will be interesting who is actually regarded as the wiser and more educated.”
Meanwhile former MEP and Brexiteer businessman Ben Habib argued intelligence was irrelevant to the debate and urged Remainers to “grasp the democratic process”.
He said: “For those that claim Brexiteers had been hit with a thick stick, I simply say this: Intellectual prowess is irrelevant to the debate. We won the vote for Brexit. Remainers must be seriously intellectually challenged if they cannot grasp the democratic process.”
Speaking about the study on GB News, comedian Leo Kearse said: “It’s like what like the Remain campaign did saying, ‘Oh the car production will drop by point eight percent over seven years if you take it to the third quarter’.
“Nobody cares, brainiac! I don't want some Belgian nerd telling me what to do.”
Despite the study appearing to find a link between intelligence and voting intention, a scientist warned it was difficult to establish a causal relationship.
Kevin McConway, emeritus professor of statistics at the Open University, said the research cannot establish that those who were less intelligent were more likely to vote for Brexit.
He told the Times: “There’s an obvious temptation, perhaps particularly if one takes a certain set of views about the referendum, the campaign and its outcome, to assume that the finding of an association between measures of cognitive ability and the way people voted in the Brexit referendum means that having lower cognitive ability caused people to be more likely to vote Leave.
“While this research doesn’t rule that possibility out, it certainly can’t establish that it’s true.”
But Remainer Chris Dawson, from the University of Bath, claimed there was evidence for cognitive ability influencing voters’ capacity to spot the “misinformation” he claimed played a role in influencing the outcome of the referendum.
He said: “This suggests that something we all have to live with is essentially the result of people being able to spread fake information and fake promises that some people just couldn’t distinguish from reality.”
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