Brexit Is Teaching Britain A Lesson In Humility; Boris Johnson finalizes EU Exit Deal!

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jj23 said:
Hasn't been the same since he got Covid.
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has a very odd cadence, not sure if it's because he's winging it or because the deal isn't what was previously stated

parliament/house can't scuttle this still can they?
 
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88m3 said:
has a very odd cadence, not sure if it's because he's winging it or because the deal isn't what was previously stated

parliament/house can't scuttle this still can they?
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The Brexiters could still try if they think the deal doesn't give them them the sovereignty they crave, but I think it will pass
 
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jj23 said:
Here's the mind fukk...and this is where the gullibility of people comes into play...

I fully expect this deal to leave the UK worse off than the things we complained about when we were in the EU.

I dont think we will save any money that would have usually gone to the EU.

They still get to fish for a few years.

We can't move freely in the EU for work.

But....and here's the mind fukk...it's better than no deal. So you take what you get.

So we are in a worse position than we were before, but better off than we potentially could have been. Going forward, I expect the media and politicians will try to keep us focused on what we avoided and ignore what has been lost, and we will fall for it hook, line and sinker.
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Of course. The plonkers up north will be happy about the fish, but what about other jobs. The freedom to go to Amsterdam or Berlin is gone. This will affect lifestyles, the economy, everything. They won't realize what is gone for years. And who's to say the EU will take them back in 2030 for example.
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Boris seems shaky
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He won't be PM in 2 years. Watch this space.
 
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jj23 said:
No lies told
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Labour to back EU trade deal in Commons, Keir Starmer says
Party will hold government to account for ‘thin’ trade agreement, says leader
Andrew Woodcock, Political Editor, @andywoodcock

Labour MPs will vote for Boris Johnson’s EU trade deal in next week’s vote in the House of Commons, leader Sir Keir Starmer has announced.

Starmer said that Johnson’s deal was “thin” and said he would hold the prime minister to account for any negative impact on the UK.

But he said that the only alternative choice now would be no-deal on 31 December, which he said would have “terrible consequences for our country”.

The announcement guarantees Mr Johnson victory in the House of Commons vote on the agreement next Wednesday, and enables Tory critics to rebel without fear that they might contribute to a government defeat.

Sir Keir had faced calls from senior shadow cabinet colleagues including shadow chancellor Anneliese Dodds to whip Labour MPs to abstain, in order to ensure that the blame for any negative consequences of Brexit sits firmly with the Conservatives.

He met the shadow cabinet on Thursday afternoon before announcing his decision.

Sir Keir said: “The deal is a thin agreement.


“It does not provide adequate protections for British manufacturing, our financial services, creative industries or workplace rights.“It is not the deal the government promised. Far from it.

“And there are serious questions about the Government’s preparedness for the new arrangements. Leaving everything to the last minute has made it even more difficult for businesses to be ready.

“A better deal could have been negotiated, but I accept that option has now gone, the chance for renegotiation is over.



“There are just two paths now left for our country - to move forward with a deal or without one.”

Sir Keir said that no-deal Brexit was “not an option”, because of its “devastating” consequences for jobs, business survival and national security.

The British people would “never forgive” Labour if it enabled such an outcome, he said.

“At a moment of such national significance, it is not credible for Labour to be on the side lines,” said Sir Keir.

“That is why I can say today that when this deal comes before parliament, Labour will accept it and vote for it.”

But he added: “Let me be absolutely clear - and say directly to the government - up against no deal, we accept this deal, but the consequences of it are yours and yours alone.

“We will hold you to account for it every second you are in power; for the promises you have made and the promises you break.

“No longer can you blame somebody else.

“Responsibility for this deal - lies squarely at the door of No 10.”
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