Breh on twitter is posting news clips from the 80's crack era

[NoMayo15]

So a cia agent was hotep?

What's sad is you don't even know what was happening, but won't accept what's being told to you. It's cause it's black people. Black people used to say the same shyt you just said when hoteps would tell us the government was bringing the drugs in. It's sad we have proof, and people like you still don't get it or want to hear it

If you are serious, read the damn article
Examining Charges of CIA Role in Crack Sales

How the CIA Watched Over the Destruction of Gary Webb

No, you didn't read what I said. You're making it out to be this big conspiracy that the same people who brought drugs into the country are the same who criminalized possession to the extent that they did, and my point is members of the CIA are not the same as elected officials in Congress and local governments.

 

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I used to see crack vials all over our Apt building. On the stairs and all around the outside

Just fortunate that my family was never involved in that. But I remember visiting distant family in the city and their situation was crazy. A few times in Queens we couldnt even go home because you'd hear gun shots and had to wait for things to cool down.

The 80s wasn't only the crack epidemic, but you can't dismiss it either.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I'd just like to add one thing: Black people supported the Crime Bill not out of fear, but because something HAD to be done. This doesn't mean we thought EVERYTHING in the Bill was positive. On the contrary, most of us were dead-set against most of the other crap they put in there, but White lawmakers didn't listen to us at all. We wanted more jobs, more education, more opportunities, etc. and we were given the impression that the funds put aside for the expansion of Law Enforcement would provide those things. On the other hand, the removal of funding for inmate education, for example, was seen as specifically racist and detrimental to our community as a whole.​

Our support of the Crime Bill was very nuanced, but our caveats for acceptance were ignored by lawmakers/politicians. So, anytime you hear/read any Black person stating they supported the Bill, keep that in-mind since from 1968 to about 1991-92, the crime rate in our communities (and many parts of the Nation) rose 300%+ with the major portion of that increase occurring prior to the Crack Epidemic.

That was just the proverbial straw that broke the horse's back.​

 

[truth2you]

Do you have any supporting evidence? It seems experts aren't in agreement on what precisely caused the reduction in crime, but it likely were a combination of things... more police and "tough on crime" policies, a better economy and less incentive to do crime, technology changes prompted youth to stay in and play video games rather than gangbang. Your anecdotal take is interesting and maybe was a factor, but there's no reason to think these efforts from government to halt crime was 100% negative and had no positive impact.

I didn't say the government locking people up didn't help, my point is it wasn't a major factor. Even if you ignore what i say, certain studies say locking people up only accounted for, st the most, 25% of the crime drop.

Again, the crime bill came out in 1994. The height of the violent crack era was between 1985-1991. See, why I keep saying it was just about money, and votes? Most people that got locked up was AFTER 1994, and it was for nonviolent drug offenses. This is why knowing the years is important.

No, you didn't read what I said. You're making it out to be this big conspiracy that the same people who brought drugs into the country are the same who criminalized possession to the extent that they did, and my point is members of the CIA are not the same as elected officials in Congress and local governments.

The crime bill came from democrats who wanted to look tough on crime, and beat the republicans who said they were soft on crime, George Bush was president. This is why AFTER 1994 incarceration soared for the next 8 years under clinton, and most got locked up were for drugs, not violence. Crime was going down by the time the bill was made

 

[truth2you]

I'd just like to add one thing: Black people supported the Crime Bill not out of fear, but because something HAD to be done. This doesn't mean we thought EVERYTHING in the Bill was positive. On the contrary, most of us were dead-set against most of the other crap they put in there, but White lawmakers didn't listen to us at all. We wanted more jobs, more education, more opportunities, etc. and we were given the impression that the funds put aside for the expansion of Law Enforcement would provide those things. On the other hand, the removal of funding for inmate education, for example, was seen as specifically racist and detrimental to our community as a whole.​

Our support of the Crime Bill was very nuanced, but our caveats for acceptance were ignored by lawmakers/politicians. So, anytime you hear/read any Black person stating they supported the Bill, keep that in-mind since from 1968 to about 1991-92, the crime rate in our communities (and many parts of the Nation) rose 300%+ with the major portion of that increase occurring prior to the Crack Epidemic.

That was just the proverbial straw that broke the horse's back.​

Man, stop lying, the average black person didn't even know about the crime bill. Politics wasn't like it is today where people could easily tell each other what was going on

The bill came out in 1994 with democrats who kept losing to republicans all throughout the 80s, and early 90's, so they made the bill to look tough on crime. The issue is crime was going down by 1994, but thats all democrsts had, plus it was a money grab to fill up prisons. This is why under the democrats prison became big business, and it happened when crime wad already going down. Most offenders were in their for drugs(weed), not violence or hard drugs

When black people voted for Bill Clinton it wasn't because of his tough on crime shyt, it was because they thought he was cool. That's why they called him "the first black president". Yes, black voters were fools then which is how you know this rewriting of history about black people applauding the bill is bullshyt. Yes, a few preachers,, and politicians, but not the everyday citizens. Stop telling lies

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Man, stop lying, the average black person didn't even know about the crime bill. Politics wasn't like it is today where people could easily tell each other what was going on

Again, you weren't there watching C-Span and MY generation actually read newspapers and listened to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and others. We actually talked to one another in the barber shops, bowling alleys, Churches/Mosques, grocery stores, etc. The 'average' Black person was well-aware of the contents of the Bill through casual conversations and the MSM (TV, radio, etc.)

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Your anachronizations won't work.

Grow up.​

 

[truth2you]

Again, you weren't there watching C-Span and MY generation actually read newspapers and listened to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and others. We actually talked to one another in the barber shops, bowling alleys, Churches/Mosques, grocery stores, etc. The 'average' Black person was well-aware of the contents of the Bill through casual conversations and the MSM (TV, radio, etc.)

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Your anachronizations won't work.

Grow up.​

Man, keep lying. The average black person don't know shyt about politics in this social media era, but they knew about in 1994, because they watched c-span? Stop lying!
I didn't even get cable in Brooklyn until mid 1993, everyone else got it late 1993. Who in the hell was watching c-span that wasn't old? Who watches it today besides a small number?

You are foul for just lying

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Man, keep lying. The average black person don't know shyt about politics in this social media era, but they knew about in 1994, because they watched c-span? Stop lying!
I didn't even get cable in Brooklyn until mid 1993, everyone else got it late 1993. Who in the he'll was watching c-span? You are foul for just lying

You still trying to tell someone who witnessed the events as a grown-man what he saw? LOL. We had cable TV since 1984 and newspapers for over 100 years. Jet, Ebony, Essence, and other Black periodicals had pieces ever issue. The barbershop I went to kept the channel on C-SPAN during the entirety of the proceedings. Thugs on the street would chime-in on the assault weapons ban, 3-Strikes, etc. Women would talk about the increased punishments for sexual assaults. Muslims and Christians informed everyone who'd listen about the inmate education funding being dropped.​

You can't rewrite history, son. We were well-informed on the topic from a variety of sources, pro and con, on an almost daily basis.

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[truth2you]

You still trying to tell someone who witnessed the events as a grown-man what he saw? LOL. We had cable TV since 1984 and newspapers for over 100 years. The barbershop I went to kept the channel on C-SPAN during the entirety of the proceedings. Thugs on the street would chime-in on the assault weapons ban, 3-Strikes, etc. Women would talk about the increased punishments for sexual assaults. Muslims and Christians informed everyone who'd listen about the inmate education funding being dropped.​

You can't rewrite history, son. We were well-informed on the topic from a variety of sources on an almost daily basis.

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Yes, we would build on different topics, but knowing the ins and outs of a specific bill? Just Stop!

Besides the 60's, this is the only era black people as a whole got political. The 90's we were not political, tell the truth. That is why all Bill Clinton had to do was go in Arsenio Hall show, dance, play the sax, and he was cool.

Y'all young guys, don't let these old nikkas fool you, y'all are on it way better then we were in the 90's. Keep doing y'all thing, and trying to uplift us with politics. It can be bettet, but it's was way better.then the 90's, don't let old heads lie to you.

Ask yourself if we were so political in the 90's, why did we keep getting tricked by politicians? The crime bill wasn't the only trick. It's because we supported democrats who offered nothing for us, except not being republican

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yes, we would build on different topics, but knowing the ins and outs of a specific bill? Just Stop!

It was a WHOLE lot more than that, son. The Bill affected the entire Black community and was a primary point-of-conversation for us. We knew the ins-and-outs and voiced our opinions on the subject.​

Besides the 60's, this is the only era black people as a whole got political. The 90's we were not political, tell the truth.

We got political because of the crime rate and the Crack Epidemic. We couldn't get relief at the local level so we went Federal. That's the truth.​

Y'all tong guys, don't let these old nikkas fool you, y'all are on it way better then we were in the 90's. Keep doing y'all thing, and trying to uplift us with politics. It can be bettet, but it's was way better.then the 90's, don't let old heads lie to you.

No old head in this thread is lying so your statement is nothing more than a poor attempt to 'poison the well'. There are other cats in this thread that survived it and were I in-error regarding anything I stated, they'd correct it. None of them has done so.​

Ask yourself if we were so political in the 90's, why did we keep getting tricked by politicians? The crime bill wasn't the only trick. It's because we seriously democrats who offered nothing for us, except not being republican

We had to deal with the aftermath of the Crack Epidemic and rebuild/restructure our communities that were devastated by it, so Federal politics wasn't a high priority after we got more than we bargained for once the Bill passed. We concentrated on local politics and community action to get things cleaned-up and organized. It wasn't that we were 'tricked', but our priorities shifted.

Hell, it's only in the past 5 years that my city has been able to recover from what happened in 1971 and the Epidemic.

It'll never be what it once was, but it's a full 180 degree turn from what it was during the Epidemic.


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[truth2you]

It was a WHOLE lot more than that, son. The Bill affected the entire Black community and was a primary point-of-conversation for us. We knew the ins-and-outs and voiced our opinions on the subject.​

We got political because of the crime rate and the Crack Epidemic. We couldn't get relief at the local level so we went Federal. That's the truth.​

No old head in this thread is lying so your statement is nothing more than a poor attempt to 'poison the well'. There are other cats in this thread that survived it and were I in-error regarding anything I stated, they'd correct it. None of them has done so.​

We had to deal with the aftermath of the Crack Epidemic and rebuild/restructure our communities that were devastated by it, so Federal politics wasn't a high priority after we got more than we bargained for once the Bill passed. We concentrated on local politics and community action to get things cleaned-up and organized. It wasn't that we were 'tricked', but our priorities shifted.


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You did, the average black person wasn't political

Maybe in Asbury park which is little as hell, but in Brooklyn it wasn't happening like that except for hoteps, and church people who were mainly old people, and most didn't take them that serious.

Asbury park has a population of over 15,000 so no wonder you think the way you do. My neighborhood(Flatbush. Over 100,000 people) was bigger then your city, so our perspectives are different. Brooklyn's population is over 2.5 million

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You did, the average black person wasn't political

I am average. Nothing special about me.​

Maybe in Asbury park which is little as hell, but in Brooklyn it wasn't happening like that except for hoteps, and church people who were mainly old people, and most didn't take them that serious.

Asbury is small, but influenced a very large area. Even moreso now since it's becoming gentrified.​

Asbury park has a population of over 15,000 so no wonder you think the way you do. My neighborhood was bigger then your city, so our perspectives are different

You'd have a point if not for the fact that I was in the military and traveled the country. So I saw first-hand the effects of the Crack Epidemic in California, Virginia, DC, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Texas, New Mexico, and Florida. Other countries like Japan, Guam, Australia and Germany didn't have any noticeable repercussions, but I wasn't there long enough to look for them.

Brooklyn is a microcosm in-comparison, son.​

 

[truth2you]

I am average. Nothing special about me.​

Asbury is small, but influenced a very large area. Even moreso now since it's becoming gentrified.​

You'd have a point if not for the fact that I was in the military and traveled the country. So I saw first-hand the effects of the Crack Epidemic in California, Virginia, DC, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Texas, New Mexico, and Florida. Other countries like Japan, Guam, Australia and Germany didn't have any noticeable repercussions, but I wasn't there long enough to look for them.

Brooklyn is a microcosm in-comparison, son.​

Don't you get tired of talking about yourself? I was up and down the east coast too, and seen the effects of crack. I spoke on it in this thread, but we aren't talking about that, we are talking about blacks not being political, and the crime bill of 1994. You constantly change shyt when you can't win an argument.

 

[Able Archer 83]

You got people thinking gentrification can change the history of an area. It doesnt. Folks need to watch and do the research of where they're moving into.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Don't you get tired of talking about yourself?

I never tire of correcting your anachronistic inaccuracies and false information, son.

Stop being combative and listen to those of us who lived through it instead of trying to tell us how it was.​