breaking: nikki haley doesn't want to say slavery caused the civil war. BOTHSIDES
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Breh, did you miss this post?
Lincoln was anti-slavery his entire life and definitely never owned slaves.
Abraham Lincoln and slavery - Wikipedia
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1. Lincoln's parents were abolitionists (anti-slavery activists) in Kentucky.
2. They left Kentucky when Lincoln was a child because they couldn't stand living amongst slaveowners.
3. Lincoln obviously couldn't have own slaves cause his entire adult life was in Illinois, a free state.
4. There are personal letters on the record between Lincoln and his friends, from before he even entered politics, talking about how much he abhorred slavery.
"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong," he stated. "I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel."
5. Lincoln co-founded the Republican Party on an anti-slavery platform.
6. During the election, Lincoln ran on a promise to refuse to allow the expansion of slavery to new states. That was literally the biggest political issue of the age and a low-key war was already being fought over it, look up "Bloody Kansas".
7. Lincoln had to repeatedly assure voters that he wouldn't forcibly ban slavery in the South against their will (because he didn't believe it was legally possible anyway).
8. When he got elected, the South immediately seceded anyway because of his anti-slavery position.
9. One of his first legislative acts was to ban slavery in Washington DC.
10. At times he offered deals to the South that would allow them to come back into the Union and more gradually end slavery, because ending the war quickly was a more important goal to him than ending slavery immediately. But he never compromised the position that slavery had to end at some point.
11. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation and freed slaves in the South because it was a military necessity AND because he wanted to do it. He says himself that the fact that it was a military necessity is what finally have him the legal justification to do it.
12. Lincoln fought harder for the 13th Amendment, banning slavery everywhere in the States forever, than any president had ever fought for legislation. He threatened congressmen, he bribed congressmen, he called in every favor he had, he employed months-long pressure campaigns on specific individuals, he have away cushy lifelong appointments to congressmen solely on the basis of them voting for this one bill. The 13th Amendment passed because Lincoln MADE it pass.
13. In one of the final speeches of his life, Lincoln declared that Black men didn't just deserve freedom, but the vote too. Remember, not even White women could vote back then and wouldn't get it for another 50 years. That was the moment John Wilkes Booth decided to kill Lincoln, because he couldn't stand to see Black people get the vote.
Lincoln wasn't some angel. Like nearly all white men of his era, he still had some racist views (it's not like he had ever seen what Black people were capable of from an equal footing), and real anti-racism movements didn't exist until about 1910. And ending slavery immediately was not his #1 priority. He would rather avoid war than end slavery immediately, but he also would rather accept war than allow slavery to expand. But to deny that he was against slavery is ridiculous neo-confederate propaganda.
Lincoln was anti-slavery in public and private for his entire life, and there is no historical doubt about that at all.
Yes, Lincoln said that his priority was ending the war first. That was partly because the Civil War was by far the most deadly disaster in American history and of course everyone wanted it to end (over 10x as many Americans died in the Civil War as had died in the Revolution), and partly because he HAD to say shyt like that in order to justify the fact that he freed the slaves. If he didn't say it was a military necessity and the only option, then it wouldn't have been legally justifiable at all.
Lincoln founded the anti-slavery Republican party before the war ever started. Lincoln ran on a political platform of not expanding slavery before the war ever started. They made D.C. and Kansas free even before the Emancipation Proclamation. And AFTER the war was basically over, Lincoln spent every bit of political capital he had to force through the 13th Amendment and ban slavery across the entire nation forever. Why would he do that if he wasn't anti-slavery?
And yes, Lincoln was not some 21st-century anti-racist SJW. Almost no one was back then, white or black, anti-racism was hardly even a thing back then. It's fine to be honest about that, but using it to dismiss him is bizarre. Even most black people didn't know black folk were equal to whites until they finally got opportunity.
This is like my 3rd argument with @TripleAgent over his hatred of Lincoln. Our other arguments have been:
* TripleAgent telling people not to vote over and over
* TripleAgent praising Trump's "Plan for Black America" and taking it seriously
* TripleAgent attacking Gavin Newsom for calling Ron Desantis an anti-Black racist
* TripleAgent claiming that cops killing Black people started under Obama
* TripleAgent claiming that Obama sided with the cops
* TripleAgent claiming that Obama prioritizes gay people over Black people
* TripleAgent mad at the Congressional Black Congress for their support of student loan forgiveness
* TripleAgent prasing a white Howard student who sued the school for racial discrimination
* TripleAgent mad that Biden appointed a Black man as Secretary of Defense
His screenname is absolutely bizarre - it's as if he's purposely telling us he's an Agent.
upsetting white supremacy? If she upset white supremacy then how would that change anything?
CreepyMcCreeperson
Veteran
Then she wouldn’t have a political career
with the GOP
As a Black man from overseas, here’s my explanation to Nimarata Nikki Randhawa Haley.
"An inscription on the Liberty Place monument in New Orleans, added in 1934, reads: "United States troops took over the state government and reinstated the usurpers but the national election of November 1876 recognized white supremacy in the South and gave us our state."
New Orleans considers removing Confederate monuments
City has estimated it will cost $144,000 to remove the monuments; and says anonymous donor will pay cost
www.cbsnews.com
"William T. Thompson, the editor of the Savannah-based Daily Morning News, argued against the original Confederate flag, in an editorial on April 23, 1863, “on account of its resemblance to that of the abolition despotism against which we are fighting,” and in favor of the new flag, which he called “The White Man’s Flag.” His argument in favor of the new flag was that “As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.” 1 Furthermore, the Confederacy that this flag represented was formed with the explicit purpose of maintaining slavery and white supremacy, as can be plainly seen from The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States."
Statement on Display of Confederate Flag - Evanston Public Library
The Evanston Public Library is committed to anti-racism and stands in solidarity with all who seek racial justice and equity. On Wednesday, July 29, a group of individuals openly displayed a Confederate Battle Flag at Lighthouse Beach in Evanston. Evanston resident LaShandra Smith-Rayfield...
www.epl.org
DaKidFromNoWhere
Superstar
Don't know if this was posted or not.
2024 GOP candidate Nikki Haley says she “had Black friends growing up” in follow-up to Civil War question.
The RecountFri, January 5, 2024 at 1:45 PM GMT+2·2 min read
2024 GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley told Erin Burnett at a CNN town hall Thursday night that she “should have said slavery” in her viral response to a question about the causes of the Civil War, but said in her mind, “that’s a given.” “In South Carolina…you grow up...you know, I had Black friends growing up. It is a very talked-about thing,” Haley said. Here’s the full exchange:
BURNETT: “So, I want to ask you about something that's been a challenge for your campaign over the past week. And this, of course, is referring back to New Hampshire, where you were asked to explain the cause of the Civil War. You obviously did not mention slavery. And afterwards, you came up, you said, ‘that was a mistake.’ In fact, you said it should have been the first thing that you said. So you did come out and say that. Chris Christie, though, came out and said that you gave that answer not because you're, in his words, ‘dumb’ or ‘racist,’ but because you're, quote, ‘unwilling to offend anyone by telling the truth.’ What do you say to that?”
HALEY: “No one's ever said that I am unwilling to offend. I offend plenty of people because I call people out when they do something wrong. What I will tell you is Chris Christie is from New Jersey. I should have said slavery right off the bat. But if you grow up in South Carolina, literally in second and third grade, you learn about slavery. You grow up and you have — you know, I had Black friends growing up. It is a very talked about thing. We have a big history in South Carolina when it comes to, you know, slavery, when it comes to all the things that happened with the Civil War, all that. I was over — I was thinking past slavery, and talking about the lesson that we would learn going forward. I shouldn't have done that. I should have said slavery. But in in my mind, that's a given that everybody associates the Civil War with slavery.”
That is one double talking hindu hoe.
2024 GOP candidate Nikki Haley says she “had Black friends growing up” in follow-up to Civil War question.
The Recount
Fri, January 5, 2024 at 1:45 PM GMT+2·2 min read
2024 GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley told Erin Burnett at a CNN town hall Thursday night that she “should have said slavery” in her viral response to a question about the causes of the Civil War, but said in her mind, “that’s a given.” “In South Carolina…you grow up...you know, I had Black friends growing up. It is a very talked-about thing,” Haley said. Here’s the full exchange:
BURNETT: “So, I want to ask you about something that's been a challenge for your campaign over the past week. And this, of course, is referring back to New Hampshire, where you were asked to explain the cause of the Civil War. You obviously did not mention slavery. And afterwards, you came up, you said, ‘that was a mistake.’ In fact, you said it should have been the first thing that you said. So you did come out and say that. Chris Christie, though, came out and said that you gave that answer not because you're, in his words, ‘dumb’ or ‘racist,’ but because you're, quote, ‘unwilling to offend anyone by telling the truth.’ What do you say to that?”
HALEY: “No one's ever said that I am unwilling to offend. I offend plenty of people because I call people out when they do something wrong. What I will tell you is Chris Christie is from New Jersey. I should have said slavery right off the bat. But if you grow up in South Carolina, literally in second and third grade, you learn about slavery. You grow up and you have — you know, I had Black friends growing up. It is a very talked about thing. We have a big history in South Carolina when it comes to, you know, slavery, when it comes to all the things that happened with the Civil War, all that. I was over — I was thinking past slavery, and talking about the lesson that we would learn going forward. I shouldn't have done that. I should have said slavery. But in in my mind, that's a given that everybody associates the Civil War with slavery.”
T'Challa Trillmonger
All Star
a self hating brown woman who cosplay as white, US politics really a clown show
You some kind of racist troll?
Did you purchase your coli account?
And will you be another both sider, who talks shyt about biden and democrats, claim to be an independent, yet love maga and white supremacy?
Just trying to see what kind of republican we might have on our hands now