Breaking:Female passenger killed after being set on fire on an NYC subway train

[Ɀoᥱɣ]

woman was burned alive in front of hundreds of people and you still found a way to make it sound like it was her fault... and you did it on christmas too, man

be well.

Not to mention in the video she had a walker in front of her then when you add on the fact of being asleep when it happened, it's unrealistic to expect an older person to start flailing around.

 

[987654321]

Yeah, but that still doesn't add up because there have been reports saying that she didn't even scream or yell for help while she was burning; it's impossible not to know that you're burning. Human flesh is sensitive, so the moment an inch of that coat got hotter, it should've alerted her to panic and take her off her jacket in a frenzy.

What she's like, Freddy Krueger, who gets startled and freezes up at the sight of fire? It's idiotic to just stand there and burn without putting up a fight, unless there's more to the story about the woman herself, shyt for all we know she might've wanted to die or something else foul is at play, not much has been released about the woman or the man so the verdict is still out. We don't know what might've been going through this woman's head prior (days, weeks, etc) to her attack; she might've had some mental or emotional issues.

For her body to go into shock would indicate she was burning for a good while, which means she had an opportunity to save herself with minimal (1st or 2nd degree) burns before it got out of hand, and the way she burned implies there had to be something flammable sprayed or wiped on her jacket. No coat is gonna burn up like that without a flammable substance applied.

She was still alive in those videos as it showed her holding onto a pole inside the train as she burned, and the guy, her attacker, was fanning her. During that moment, she was still alive because her body moved backward as if she was trying to turn around.

None of that shyt is true. When is the last time you’ve seen someone burn alive or worked with a burn victim? When’s the last time you’ve suffered from any traumatic injury?

 

[42 Monks]

None of that shyt is true. When is the last time you’ve seen someone burn alive or worked with a burn victim? When’s the last time you’ve suffered from any traumatic injury?

most folks get all their medical knowledge from CW shows

i'm convinced most people have never - and will never - experience anything bigger than a small grease fire. folks think shock is a facial expression

 

[Unbothered]

The woman was burned alive in front of hundreds of people and you still found a way to make it sound like it was her fault... and you did it on Christmas too, man

Be well.

I wasn't victim-blaming this woman.

I acknowledge that the man responsible did a horrific act of crime and should prosecuted at the highest level of the law; however, some of you guys are just too basic in your thinking and only see things from the surface of what's been reported, which hasn't been much.

I just find the victim, her lack of action in the midst of severe trauma/death, and the circumstances surrounding her death to be unusual and overall very weird. Nobody goes into shock instantly unless she's afraid of fire, but even then, the reports state she never bothered screaming for help, let alone acknowledge that she was burning, which attributed to why bystanders were being precarious in helping her because they might've thought she was crazy.

She wasn't elderly; some said she was a college student age, which implies she's young and would be younger than me (29) actually.

It's impossible not to feel that level of heat intensity and remain calm as she did...it gives off that the victim, mentally or emotionally, wasn't all the way there. She couldn't have just burst onto exaggerated flames that quickly unless she was dosed with a flammable substance. People keep saying she was sleeping, but the video shows her standing up, holding a pole while she was burning, and at some point trying to turn around.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I wasn't victim-blaming this woman.

I acknowledge that the man responsible did a horrific act of crime and should prosecuted at the highest level of the law; however, some of you guys are just too basic in your thinking and only see things from the surface of what's been reported, which hasn't been much.

I just find the victim, her lack of action in the midst of severe trauma/death, and the circumstances surrounding her death to be unusual and overall very weird. Nobody goes into shock instantly unless she's afraid of fire, but even then the reports state she never bothered screaming for help, let alone acknowledge that she was burning.

She wasn't elderly; some said she was a college student age, which implies she's young and would be younger than me (29) actually.

It's impossible not to feel that level of heat intensity and remain calm as she did...it gives off that the victim, mentally or emotionally, wasn't all the way there. She couldn't have just burst onto exaggerated flames that quickly unless she was dosed with a flammable substance. People keep saying she was sleeping, but the video shows her standing up, holding a pole while she was burning, and at some point trying to turn around.

Which is fine and your prerogative you want to say that, but your comment completely goes off the rails by bringing up human sacrifices to support your narrative of trying to help you understand the situation.

 

[Unbothered]

This is fine, and your prerogative is that you want to say that, but your comment completely goes off the rails by bringing up human sacrifices to support your narrative.

I say sacrifice because NYC used to have cases of human sacrifices throughout the city in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, whole bodies and parts found throughout the city. Satanic rituals and cults used to be a thing in certain NYC neighborhoods, and the way her attacker sat there in a disturbing manner as she burned gives a little insight into his psyche.

The fact she didn't scream for help, yell in agony, acknowledge herself burning, or try to even save herself only adds more to the mystery surrounding this whole ordeal, Bystanders were being precarious in helping her because they might've thought she was crazy due to her minimal reactions or complete lack thereof at that moment.

She may have been going through things emotionally and mentally, leading to suicidal thoughts, or she was a part of something darker than we imagined.

Sure he could be just psychotic but just because he's an illegal immigrant doesn't mean he can't be into some dark twisted shyt the same thing with the victim, we don't know if there's any type of connection between herself and her attack, some things are not always what it seems on the surface.

 

[987654321]

I wasn't victim-blaming this woman.

I acknowledge that the man responsible did a horrific act of crime and should prosecuted at the highest level of the law; however, some of you guys are just too basic in your thinking and only see things from the surface of what's been reported, which hasn't been much.

I just find the victim, her lack of action in the midst of severe trauma/death, and the circumstances surrounding her death to be unusual and overall very weird. Nobody goes into shock instantly unless she's afraid of fire, but even then, the reports state she never bothered screaming for help, let alone acknowledge that she was burning, which attributed to why bystanders were being precarious in helping her because they might've thought she was crazy.

She wasn't elderly; some said she was a college student age, which implies she's young and would be younger than me (29) actually.

It's impossible not to feel that level of heat intensity and remain calm as she did...it gives off that the victim, mentally or emotionally, wasn't all the way there. She couldn't have just burst onto exaggerated flames that quickly unless she was dosed with a flammable substance. People keep saying she was sleeping, but the video shows her standing up, holding a pole while she was burning, and at some point trying to turn around.

Yes they do. Burn victims face a myriad of challenges. The biggest is inhalation burns. Fire eats the oxygen coming out of you. You can’t actually see all parts of a fire, it could have already been feeding off the O2 in her airway. The heat damages all the tissue down to the lungs. That’s why people engulfed in flames can’t scream, talk, or breathe.

There’s multiple kinds of “shock”. It’s the bodies inability to continue compensating for trauma, sometimes it’s the body overcompensating for trauma. Often it is instant, be it psychogenic shock, hypovolemic, thermogenic, neurogenic, etc.

Pain, fear, shock, and all kinds of things cause people to freeze exactly where they are. burning is excruciating until the heat is deep enough to destroy the nerves in the skin.

I’ve seen people stabbed, shot, blown into shreds, thrown by explosions, traumatic brain injuries, falls, fractures, total burn. 9/10 a human is not going to do anything but freeze, flinch, become confused, maybe piss themselves, and/or drop to the ground.

 

[42 Monks]

Yes they do. Burn victims face a myriad of challenges. The biggest is inhalation burns. Fire eats the oxygen coming out of you. You can’t actually see all parts of a fire, it could have already been feeding off the O2 in her airway. The heat damages all the tissue down to the lungs. That’s why people engulfed in flames can’t scream, talk, or breathe.

There’s multiple kinds of “shock”. It’s the bodies inability to continue compensating for trauma, sometimes it’s the body overcompensating for trauma. Often it is instant, be it psychogenic shock, hypovolemic, thermogenic, neurogenic, etc.

Pain, fear, shock, and all kinds of things cause people to freeze exactly where they are. burning is excruciating until the heat is deep enough to destroy the nerves in the skin.

I’ve seen people stabbed, shot, blown into shreds, thrown by explosions, traumatic brain injuries, falls, fractures, total burn. 9/10 a human is not going to do anything but freeze, flinch, become confused, maybe piss themselves, and/or drop to the ground.

listen pal this is the internet. you and your credentials can beat it just hold your breath, find the nearest water fountain, and stop/drop/roll

 

[TheKongoEmpire]

I’ve seen people stabbed, shot, blown into shreds, thrown by explosions, traumatic brain injuries, falls, fractures, total burn.

Live in a post-apocalyptic world ran by homicidal robots, brehs.

 

[987654321]

Live in a post-apocalyptic world ran by homicidal robots, brehs.

lol being an Army medic will show you some things over the years. Let me also add seeing someone get ran over, I forgot all about that.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Yes they do. Burn victims face a myriad of challenges. The biggest is inhalation burns. Fire eats the oxygen coming out of you. You can’t actually see all parts of a fire, it could have already been feeding off the O2 in her airway. The heat damages all the tissue down to the lungs. That’s why people engulfed in flames can’t scream, talk, or breathe.

There’s multiple kinds of “shock”. It’s the bodies inability to continue compensating for trauma, sometimes it’s the body overcompensating for trauma. Often it is instant, be it psychogenic shock, hypovolemic, thermogenic, neurogenic, etc.

Pain, fear, shock, and all kinds of things cause people to freeze exactly where they are. burning is excruciating until the heat is deep enough to destroy the nerves in the skin.

I’ve seen people stabbed, shot, blown into shreds, thrown by explosions, traumatic brain injuries, falls, fractures, total burn. 9/10 a human is not going to do anything but freeze, flinch, become confused, maybe piss themselves, and/or drop to the ground.

He will probably avoid this thread now and pretend your comments never existed

 

[987654321]

He will probably avoid this thread now and pretend your comments never existed

I’m not even really mad at his pov, but we have to help everybody get over these misconceptions that years of TV brings about pretty much anything lol.

I know most people aren’t going to see stuff like that but us loudly and confidently arguing over stuff we have no idea about has gotten so much worse. He might as well have been asking why she didn’t just use a DBZ instant transmission to teleport herself out of the situation lol.

 

[B86]

Breh, you are going by numbers, I'm going by real life experience from folks I know. Again, you are wrong.

"You're going by numbers"...breh, you can't be serious

 

[NinoBrown]

Maybe she was high on LSD and was psychotic, and opted into it?

 

[8WON6]

NEW YORK (AP) — The woman who died after being set on fire in a New York subway train earlier this month was a 57-year-old from New Jersey, New York City police announced Tuesday.

The woman, Debrina Kawam, was from Toms River, a township on the Jersey Shore, according to the NYPD. New York City Mayor Eric Adams added that Kawam had a “brief stint in our homeless shelter system,” though did not say when.

It appears Kawam recently moved to New York and had a very brief interaction with the city’s outreach services, according to the New York City Department of Homeless Services.

The man accused of lighting her on fire on Dec. 22, Sebastian Zapeta, 33, was taken into custody hours after police disseminated images of a suspect in the shocking Sunday morning attack on a train stopped in Brooklyn’s Coney Island. He has since been indicted on murder and arson charges.


Identifying the victim proved to be a challenge, and authorities said Friday they were still using forensics and video surveillance to trace her.

AP correspondent Julie Walker reports New York Police have identified the woman burned to death inside a subway train as a 57-year-old from New Jersey.
Adams said at an unrelated press briefing Tuesday that he didn’t know more than Kawam’s name and New Jersey address, but said authorities had been in contact with her next of kin.


“Hearts go out to the family, a horrific incident to have to live through,” Adams said. “It impacts on how New Yorkers feel. But it really reinforces what I’ve been saying: People should not be living on our subway system, they should be in a place of care. No matter where she lived that should not have happened.”



In an emailed statement, a New York City Department of Social Services spokesperson said the city’s homelessness agency worked with partners to track down any information they could on the victim’s family.

“As we mourn this loss, we resolve to double down on our outreach efforts to reach and support New Yorkers experiencing unsheltered homelessness on city streets and subways and ensure they consistently access shelter services,” the spokesperson said.


Authorities have said they don’t believe Kawam and Zapeta knew each other. Federal immigration officials say Zapeta is from Guatemala and entered the U.S. illegally. An address for him given by police matches a shelter that provides housing and substance abuse support.

Prosecutors allege both Kawam and Zapeta were on the stationary F train at the Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue station when Zapeta approached a sleeping Kawam and set her clothing on fire. He then fanned the flames with a shirt, engulfing her in the blaze, before sitting on a platform bench and watching as she burned, prosecutors said.

Kawam was pronounced dead at the scene.

Zapeta was arrested later that day after police circulated images of a suspect and received a tip from a group of high school students.

Zapeta has yet to enter a plea in the case and remains jailed. He was not present at a court hearing Friday where his indictment was announced and his attorney declined to comment afterward.

Prosecutor Ari Rottenberg said at the hearing that Zapeta told police he drinks a lot of liquor and doesn’t know what happened. He did, however, identify himself in photos and surveillance video showing the fire being lit, Rottenberg said.


“This was a malicious deed,” Brooklyn District Attorney Eric Gonzalez said after the Friday hearing. ___ This story corrects Kawam’s age based on updated information from the police. She was 57, not 61.