Breaking:Female passenger killed after being set on fire on an NYC subway train

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What is crazy about it? They were alone on the car until it pulled into the station.

She had no more energy to stop, drop, or roll after burning for a while.
I guess the people watching and filming, and the police officer who walked by and watched her burning had no energy either.
 

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I guess the people watching and filming, and the police officer who walked by and watched her burning had no energy either.
a lot of this "why wouldn't they just" x sounds cute, but people have no real idea how to deal with any fire bigger than grease.

once it gets to a certain point, the air will literally burn your lungs from the inside. and if someone is being doused with a fuel, you basically need to have a retardant literally on hand - for you and the person you're trying to help.

all this to say people on their morning commute shouldn't expect to be called on to be action heroes :francis: folks are asking too much
 

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a lot of this "why wouldn't they just" x sounds cute, but people have no real idea how to deal with any fire bigger than grease.

once it gets to a certain point, the air will literally burn your lungs from the inside. and if someone is being doused with a fuel, you basically need to have a retardant literally on hand - for you and the person you're trying to help.

all this to say people on their morning commute shouldn't expect to be called on to be action heroes :francis: folks are asking too much
I think the issue is much bigger than this. The bystander affect and the need to grab a phone and film instead of doing something productive to help the situation, in my opinion is the issue.
You are right nobody is expected to play the hero, but at some point common decency has to kick in…right?
 

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I think the issue is much bigger than this. The bystander affect and the need to grab a phone and film instead of doing something productive to help the situation, in my opinion is the issue.
You are right nobody is expected to play the hero, but at some point common decency has to kick in…right?
What is the average subway going joe going to do in this situation? The solution is to not allow these fukking schizos to be on the streets terrorizing folks just trying to go about their day. Round em up, and put em back in the asylums.
 

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I think the issue is much bigger than this. The bystander affect and the need to grab a phone and film instead of doing something productive to help the situation, in my opinion is the issue.
You are right nobody is expected to play the hero, but at some point common decency has to kick in…right?
decency is running to get help

i don't think the average person has a clue on where to start when it comes to putting out a fire of that size or dealing with someone in shock - let alone both at the same time. not to mention the idea of drawing the attention of or potentially fighting a crazy arsonist in a closed space

folks asking for way too much. instead of focusing on what people can do in the situation, ask why the situation even exists in the first place.
 

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What is the average subway going joe going to do in this situation? The solution is to not allow these fukking schizos to be on the streets terrorizing folks just trying to go about their day. Round em up, and put em back in the asylums.
Well if I saw someone on fire, within reason (ie not an out of control blaze) I would take off my shirt or jacket or whatever and start hitting at it. If I had a drink I'd pour it on their clothes.

Whatever I could do to help and hopefully somone else would join in to help me.

That said, I haven't watched the video so I don't know the degree of the fire once discovered
 

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Well if I saw someone on fire, within reason (ie not an out of control blaze) I would take off my shirt or jacket or whatever and start hitting at it. If I had a drink I'd pour it on their clothes.

Whatever I could do to help and hopefully somone else would join in to help me
I agree but the average person would be shell shocked.

But if you have the presence of mind to whip out a phone to record you could at least stop the Man.

New York is wild. Maybe it’s too many different people in one place it’s insane that people act in this manner.
 

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Well if I saw someone on fire, within reason (ie not an out of control blaze) I would take off my shirt or jacket or whatever and start hitting at it. If I had a drink I'd pour it on their clothes.

Whatever I could do to help and hopefully somone else would join in to help me
none of that is making a dent and probably making it worse. if someone is doused in a flammable liquid like that, you can't even throw a whole blanket on top of them to smother it out.

you'd need to strip them, probably tearing off seared flesh in the process, and have multiple people all hosing them down. and even then idk

there's a very real chance that you can't even breathe in that car after a certain point too. all that to say - people have no idea how hot and volatile fire actually is until it jumps at them even a little bit.
 
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