BREAKING: Brian Kelly leaving Notre Dame for LSU

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It’s not worth it to them. Keep telling y’all this
How long do you think conferences will schedule with them allowing that? The only reason they’re not in the BIG is because Michigan used to hate on them for decades.
 

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How long do you think conferences will schedule with them allowing that? The only reason they’re not in the BIG is because Michigan used to hate on them for decades.
They’re a brand that’s synonymous with CFB. Literally can’t tell the story of the sport without them. Teams will continue to schedule if only for the opposing fans rubbing it in their sometimes obnoxious fans faces when they beat them. I don’t see why a school wouldn’t want to schedule them. Their fans travel and their alumni are everywhere, like worldwide. You lose out on $$ not doing it. Hence why the Indiana game was big to Hoosier fans. Irish fans look down on them and don’t even acknowledge their existence like Longhorn fans do U of H
 

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They’re a brand that’s synonymous with CFB. Literally can’t tell the story of the sport without them. Teams will continue to schedule if only for the opposing fans rubbing it in their sometimes obnoxious fans faces when they beat them. I don’t see why a school wouldn’t want to schedule them. Their fans travel and their alumni are everywhere, like worldwide. You lose out on $$ not doing it. Hence why the Indiana game was big to Hoosier fans. Irish fans look down on them and don’t even acknowledge their existence like Longhorn fans do U of H
On the flipside, Hoosier fans look down on Irish fans in basketball :umad:
 

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They’re a brand that’s synonymous with CFB. Literally can’t tell the story of the sport without them. Teams will continue to schedule if only for the opposing fans rubbing it in their sometimes obnoxious fans faces when they beat them. I don’t see why a school wouldn’t want to schedule them. Their fans travel and their alumni are everywhere, like worldwide. You lose out on $$ not doing it. Hence why the Indiana game was big to Hoosier fans. Irish fans look down on them and don’t even acknowledge their existence like Longhorn fans do U of H
The big dawgs don’t need Notre Dame. They have rivals obviously. But the idea that this school is going to collecting all of the pay outs independently and have its own television contract - somehow I doubt the ACC schools that it schedules with are going to continue to be cool with that. You already see in other sports they can’t move like that. They’re in the big for hockey and ACC for basketball.
 

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The big dawgs don’t need Notre Dame. They have rivals obviously. But the idea that this school is going to collecting all of the pay outs independently and have its own television contract - somehow I doubt the ACC schools that it schedules with are going to continue to be cool with that. You already see in other sports they can’t move like that. They’re in the big for hockey and ACC for basketball.
That first sentence may be true but you think A&Ms first home game this season would’ve been cranking like that if they were playing TCU? Hell no! The conference alignment thing is weird and only matters to certain programs. Hell, Florida and a couple other SEC programs got some of their sports in the Big 12 (non revenue generators but still). There are some schools who could pull off the independence but just don’t want to go at it alone and know they get more $$ being associated with a conferences brand. iirc, FSU & Penn St were both independent until the late 80s/early 90s

Plus, $14 mil dolo >>>> splitting $14 mil 16/18 ways
 

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That first sentence may be true but you think A&Ms first home game this season would’ve been cranking like that if they were playing TCU? Hell no! The conference alignment thing is weird and only matters to certain programs. Hell, Florida and a couple other SEC programs got some of their sports in the Big 12 (non revenue generators but still). There are some schools who could pull off the independence but just don’t want to go at it alone and know they get more $$ being associated with a conferences brand. iirc, FSU & Penn St were both independent until the late 80s/early 90s

Plus, $14 mil dolo >>>> splitting $14 mil 16/18 ways
I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. Every game that pits two big name schools against each other will be big. Your argument seems to be premised on the faulty idea that Notre Dame is bigger than college football itself and it’s not. The point is, other big name schools will not be comfortable with them getting all that revenue on their own. If Michigan and Ohio State are in conferences and they produce higher ratings - what makes you think Notre Dame is immune to that? Texas is in a conference. Their contracts predate this current era. Just wait until the current ACC contract is up or if there’s another shift in college football. Notre Dame is currently using the ACC to play a schedule respectable enough to make the CFP while sharing none of the revenue it generates from TV contracts or playoff births with the conference. What makes you think the rest of the conference will be good with that going forward when FSU was already trying to get out of the conference just last year?
 

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I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. Every game that pits two big name schools against each other will be big. Your argument seems to be premised on the faulty idea that Notre Dame is bigger than college football itself and it’s not. The point is, other big name schools will not be comfortable with them getting all that revenue on their own. If Michigan and Ohio State are in conferences and they produce higher ratings - what makes you think Notre Dame is immune to that? Texas is in a conference. Their contracts predate this current era. Just wait until the current ACC contract is up or if there’s another shift in college football. Notre Dame is currently using the ACC to play a schedule respectable enough to make the CFP while sharing none of the revenue it generates from TV contracts or playoff births with the conference. What makes you think the rest of the conference will be good with that going forward when FSU was already trying to get out of the conference just last year?
That's never been implied. ND is an independent in CFB. That's all.

"ND does not need to be in a conference" does not suggest "They are above everyone else"
 

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Your argument seems to be premised on the faulty idea that Notre Dame is bigger than college football itself and it’s not
Not at all but they don’t need a conference. They’re self sufficient.
The point is, other big name schools will not be comfortable with them getting all that revenue on their own. If Michigan and Ohio State are in conferences and they produce higher ratings - what makes you think Notre Dame is immune to that?
That’s a them problem. Not a Notre Dame problem. If they’re comfortable in what they are, nothing is preventing them from going at it alone like the Irish :manny:

Texas is in a conference.
And Texas was in a conference where they punked the other members, had its own network and got to keep all the revenue from it to themselves. LHN didn’t generate the revenue they expected. Not sure it was even available outside of non bordering TX states cause it wasn’t even carried by a lot of cable providers. And they ended up going to a conference who said “nah, either y’all play by our rules or stay where you’re at.” No other conference was gonna allow that. Hell BYU tried to do it alone and they should’ve known better.

All I’m saying is ND doesn’t need a conference (and vice versa). The P4 tried to make a system to force them and guess what? It backfired cause they still got in and if we’re being honest, should’ve had a bye.
 

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That first sentence may be true but you think A&Ms first home game this season would’ve been cranking like that if they were playing TCU? Hell no! The conference alignment thing is weird and only matters to certain programs. Hell, Florida and a couple other SEC programs got some of their sports in the Big 12 (non revenue generators but still). There are some schools who could pull off the independence but just don’t want to go at it alone and know they get more $$ being associated with a conferences brand. iirc, FSU & Penn St were both independent until the late 80s/early 90s

Plus, $14 mil dolo >>>> splitting $14 mil 16/18 ways

yup also that cushy nbc deal they have to share with no one as well
 

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IIRC it was Yost(?) and his anti-irsh/anti-catholic sentiments?
It started with claims that Notre Dame used ineligible players against us in a game and then Michigan effectively blackballed them from any BIG schools playing them. It’s why they’re not in the BIG right now. I don’t know if it was due to anti-Irish sentiments but that’s where a lot of the bad blood stems from.
 
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