Brazil 2022 Election: Lula WINS 3rd term as president in runoff; Bolsonaro becomes first Brazilian president to lose re-election since 1985!

[storyteller]

Centrists liberal

This you?

Let's Put an End to 'Horseshoe Theory' Once and for All

Accusing the left of fascism only helps the real fascists.

psmag.com

My dude, you'll see rhetoric like "relatively liberal" used when comparing the big three television news sources all over. Center-left in U.S. = Liberal Centrists

That dude does kinda hit the mark. These two sources that primarily sell to Democrats have shifted their messaging more to the right, with one of them going full-cloth to the right.

they didn’t call what happened to Evo Morales a coup.

I meant Trump Jan. 6th was a coup. What that article describes comports very well with what Trump tried. You're right that they didn't bother calling what happened to Evo a coup (or Maduro in Venezuela an attempted coup if I'm recalling correctly).

 

[mastermind]

I meant Trump Jan. 6th was a coup. What that article describes comports very well with what Trump tried. You're right that they didn't bother calling what happened to Evo a coup (or Maduro in Venezuela an attempted coup if I'm recalling correctly).

Yeah, neither were called a coup.

 

[mastermind]

That dude does kinda hit the mark. These two sources that primarily sell to Democrats have shifted their messaging more to the right, with one of them going full-cloth to the right.

Yup!

 

[88m3]

 

[Pressure]

My dude, you'll see rhetoric like "relatively liberal" used when comparing the big three television news sources all over. Center-left in U.S. = Liberal Centrists

That dude does kinda hit the mark. These two sources that primarily sell to Democrats have shifted their messaging more to the right, with one of them going full-cloth to the right.

They are corporations who make all of their money from ad revenue and subscriptions.

They shift consistently based on what makes them money, not based on any commitment to political ideology.

The problem here is you wanted to talk about Horseshoe theory and then promoted fish hook theory.

This is all emotional shyt posting from y'all.

 

[Pressure]

CnN and nY TiMeS pOsTeD it so it must be how "establishment liberals feel."

All it takes it a quit look at any number of napoleons threads to see the blaring hypocrisy from you goofies.

 

[storyteller]

They are corporations who make all of their money from ad revenue and subscriptions.

They shift consistently based on what makes them money, not based on any commitment to political ideology.

The problem here is you wanted to talk about Horseshoe theory and then promoted fish hook theory.

This is all emotional shyt posting from y'all.

YES!!! This bold part is my actual point. The bold applies to both shytty liberal outlets, and bum ass grifters claiming to be "lefties" like Glenn Greenwald. I didn't apply fish-hook theory. I called Horseshoe theory an obvious crock of shyt.

Ironically, even the fish-hook theory article doesn't take it too seriously, he points it out literally a sentence after what you quoted.

As a leftist myself, I find Fish Hook Theory appealing for obvious reasons: It exculpates me and indicts people whose political opinions I dislike. But, alas, I don't think Fish Hook Theory is any more convincing than Horseshoe Theory. Fascism is located on the far right—but racism, nationalism, and worship of force are appealing to people of widely disparate political opinions.

Did you just stop at the part that made you salty? This temper tantrum's kinda sad fam. Wouldn't be the first time you quoted shyt out of context in bad faith though.

 

[Pressure]

YES!!! This bold part is my actual point. The bold applies to both shytty liberal outlets, and bum ass grifters claiming to be "lefties" like Glenn Greenwald. I didn't apply fish-hook theory. I called Horseshoe theory an obvious crock of shyt.

Ironically, even the fish-hook theory article points this out literally a sentence after what you quoted.



Did you just stop at the part that made you salty? This temper tantrum's kinda sad fam. Wouldn't be the first time you quoted shyt out of context in bad faith though.

You've confused yourself with your own strawman.

What CNN and NY times, both corporations wh9 have openly said they are seeking to present content that attracts people across the spectrum have to do with centrists?

You've already admitted CNN isn't guided by a political ideology, but mere profits.

You've both constructed and unraveled your own argument with a serious of logical fallacies and plain idiocy.

 

[Pressure]

But let's get back to that Horseshoe....

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Pressure]

Imagine Lula winning and Bolsanaro refuses to peacefully hand over control of government and someone suggested he should negotiate harder with Bolsanaro so that it wouldn't happen in the name of limiting suffering

 

[storyteller]

You've confused yourself with your own strawman.

What CNN and NY times, both corporations wh9 have openly said they are seeking to present content that attracts people across the spectrum have to do with centrists?

You've already admitted CNN isn't guided by a political ideology, but mere profits.

You've both constructed and unraveled your own argument with a serious of logical fallacies and plain idiocy.

Holy shyt you're an idiot

Here's the analogy dumbass:
Leftist figures in media and politics shift their messaging to the right in the name of profit.
Centrist figures in media and politics do the same exact thing.

The phenomenon of promoters of ideology shifting for profit is not limited to any belief system. It also isn't demonstrative of their consumers suddenly swinging over with them. I thought that was implicit but you need your hand held...NYT and CNN are not changing their messaging to appeal to the same viewers right? You get it when it's them...this is true for majority of lefty consumers too. The grifters pick up a different audience with a handful of holdouts.

And linking to Lula saying Ukraine could have negotiated more doesn't make him a fascist. Wtf...I really can't tell if you're acting bad faith because you're throwing a temper tantrum or you really are this big of a dumbass.

 

[Pressure]

Here's the analogy dumbass:
Leftist figures in media and politics shift their messaging to the right in the name of profit.
Centrist figures in media and politics do the same exact thing.

I am certain you don't even understand what Horseshoe theory asserts if you think this is a counter.

Horseshoe theory itself asserts that those in the middle have more in common with each other than they do with the extreme left and right.

Nothing you've said refutes this.

The phenomenon of promoters of ideology shifting for profit is not limited to any belief system. It also isn't demonstrative of their consumers suddenly swinging over with them. I thought that was implicit but you need your hand held...NYT and CNN are not changing their messaging to appeal to the same viewers right? You get it when it's them...this is true for majority of lefty consumers too. The grifters pick up a different audience with a handful of holdouts.

Yea, you're an idiot. Hotshoe theory isn't criticising people for merely shifting their messaging.

It just points out what happens when the messaging and methods of the extreme left and right have more in common than the middle positions.

And linking to Lula saying Ukraine could have negotiated more doesn't make him a fascist.

It doesn't make him a fascist, but he's echoeing the same talking points as fascist (Putin), by Blaming the US AND UKRAINE, for Russia's actions.

Put the tequila down amigo.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Whats your solution? (if any)

I'm saying that all Americans including the American government need to take greater responsibility for how their actions affect the rest of the world. Republicans used to talk about how we were the city on the hill, the shining light to the rest of the world. Well fukking act like it. Evaluate Trump not just for your own personal political calculations, but on how the precedent affects future US politics an the rest of the world. It doesn't take much - if even 15% of Republican voters refused to go along with the bullshyt, the party would have to follow cause they can't lose that much of their base.

And the US government needs to take this shyt into consideration in their foreign policy. After Brazil's ranchers started burning down the rainforests at a new accelerated pace with Bolsonero's blessing, we should have banned beef imports from Brazil immediately. Instead we ramped them up to a new record 100 million pounds a month. When a country like Brazil commits an obscene human rights or environmental violation in the production of a product, we should refuse to ship that product into our borders. THAT would have a real impact on how the world operated. But we ignore it cause we care about low prices more than anything else.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yea, you're an idiot. Hotshoe theory isn't criticising people for merely shifting their messaging.

It just points out what happens when the messaging and methods of the extreme left and right have more in common than the middle positions.

It doesn't make him a fascist, but he's echoeing the same talking points as fascist (Putin), by Blaming the US AND UKRAINE, for Russia's actions.

That's a complete nonsense position when Kissinger and other centrists have said the exact same thing, and Kissinger is probably the most influential foreign policy maker of the last half-century.

Not to mention that "Horseshoe Theory" is considered an absolute joke in actual political science circles and has only gained favor among online Status Quo Warriors.

 

[FAH1223]

A month out and Lula is clearly going to get most votes in first round. Can he get 50% and win the election in the first round? If that happens, Bolsonaro is going to go nuts