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I'mma chalk this up to Boots (and Spike) both being Late-40s and up. That generation didn't even make a surface attempt to do the whole Black/Entertainment Solidarity thing. None of those older nikkas seem like each other, from Spike to Singleton to Perry to Daniels etc. From what I've seen these dudes don't even really acknowledge each other, much less connect, collab and build.

If, for example, Klansman was just Peele and STBY was, say, Lakeith or Glover behind the camera, this wouldn't be happening. Those older nikkas are still playin' by Highlander, there can only be one rules.

At least that's how I'm seeing it.

Funny you mentioned that because it was PEELE who brought this story and script to Spike out of love for Spike.
 

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I'mma chalk this up to Boots (and Spike) both being Late-40s and up. That generation didn't even make a surface attempt to do the whole Black/Entertainment Solidarity thing. None of those older nikkas seem like each other, from Spike to Singleton to Perry to Daniels etc. From what I've seen these dudes don't even really acknowledge each other, much less connect, collab and build.

If, for example, Klansman was just Peele and STBY was, say, Lakeith or Glover behind the camera, this wouldn't be happening. Those older nikkas are still playin' by Highlander, there can only be one rules.

At least that's how I'm seeing it.

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Boots Riley is on some crabs in the barrell mentallity bullshyt. And you either are dumb enough to believe this AFTER seeing BlackKklansman or just take what he said as truth despite not seeing for yourself. Spike Lee's film make it VERY CLEAR, with emphasis that this is more anti-cop than pro. The only "good cop" was Stallworth in this film. Even his Jewish partner by accepting the corruption within the police force is a bit complicit. I dunno what movie Boots Riley saw, but the fact that EVEN when Stallworth saved his girlfriend's life, she still on fukk the pigs and dumped him BECAUSE he was a cop. Their police chief was shown as a racist that fukked Stallworth over in the end. The police force itself weren't at painted as the good guys. Only Stallworth because he went on his own to start an investigation against the klan. That make it clear that wasn't the entire police force priority, especially when they made Stallworth to be assigned as security for Duke.

Boots Riley is hating. As if we cannot have TWO socially conscious films by two black directors within the same summer.

I agree with all of this the movie clearly shows the Police system only goes so far when it comes to truly stopping agents of White Supremacy like the KKK.
 

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Ninjas stay with that crabs in a barrel bullshyt which is why there’s never any real discussion

Boots clearly had a thorough response to the film and ninjas just say he’s hating

People did it with Tavis and Cornell West criticism of Obama. 8 years later and black folks got virtually nothing out his presidency except symbolic gestures.
 

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Ninjas stay with that crabs in a barrel bullshyt which is why there’s never any real discussion

Boots clearly had a thorough response to the film and ninjas just say he’s hating

People did it with Tavis and Cornell West criticism of Obama. 8 years later and black folks got virtually nothing out his presidency except symbolic gestures.

Because it is hating. How he personally feel about Spike Lee is his own personal right to have, however... it shouldn't be a knock to what this particular film is about in correlation to what is going on TODAY. Him speaking on how it's not the true depiction of Stallworth, despite his own misunderstanding that it is based upon a true story by IGNORING the part of it being based therefore not a true detailed biopic has little merit.To Spike Lee's credit he DID have Stallworth depicted at the beginning of the film as somewhat of a misguided c00n who only cared about joining the police force and willing to be a mole into the black panther party. He didn't have to even have that in there since the film was about the KKK and infiltrating them. But he felt it was necessary largely because he want that KWAME TURE speech in it. Same as he wanted that Harry Belefonte cameo speech. Two of the most powerful speeches that NEEDED to be said. But Boots rather focus on the wrong things and have the wrong interpretation of what this film been about. Nevermind that Stallworth in the FILM evolved the further he invested himself in being a mole of the KKK. Nevermind that his girl STILL dumped him because he still want to remain in the police force despite them fukking him over....but this is supposedly a "pro-cop" movie.

Does not matter how thorough his reasoning is. It is still a bullshyt reasoning. I would slightly understand had this been only about the life of Stallworth, but it is not nor pretended that it was. It was about the exposure of the KKK in the modern age and how it related to what we are CURRENTLY dealing with today. The film is a FICTIONAL ACCOUNT based on a true story. It made that clear.
 

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Because it is hating. How he personally feel about Spike Lee is his own personal right to have, however... it shouldn't be a knock to what this particular film is about in correlation to what is going on TODAY. Him speaking on how it's not the true depiction of Stallworth, despite his own misunderstanding that it is based upon a true story by IGNORING the part of it being based therefore not a true detailed biopic has little merit.To Spike Lee's credit he DID have Stallworth depicted at the beginning of the film as somewhat of a misguided c00n who only cared about joining the police force and willing to be a mole into the black panther party. He didn't have to even have that in there since the film was about the KKK and infiltrating them. But he felt it was necessary largely because he want that KWAME TURE speech in it. Same as he wanted that Harry Belefonte cameo speech. Two of the most powerful speeches that NEEDED to be said. But Boots rather focus on the wrong things and have the wrong interpretation of what this film been about. Nevermind that Stallworth in the FILM evolved the further he invested himself in being a mole of the KKK. Nevermind that his girl STILL dumped him because he still want to remain in the police force despite them fukking him over....but this is supposedly a "pro-cop" movie.

Does not matter how thorough his reasoning is. It is still a bullshyt reasoning. I would slightly understand had this been only about the life of Stallworth, but it is not nor pretended that it was. It was about the exposure of the KKK in the modern age and how it related to what we are CURRENTLY dealing with today. The film is a FICTIONAL ACCOUNT based on a true story. It made that clear.
Nothing about Boots reasoning was bullshyt. It was very sound. That doesn’t mean it can’t be disagreed with.

Ninjas emotional because it’s Spike
 

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Because it is hating. How he personally feel about Spike Lee is his own personal right to have, however... it shouldn't be a knock to what this particular film is about in correlation to what is going on TODAY. Him speaking on how it's not the true depiction of Stallworth, despite his own misunderstanding that it is based upon a true story by IGNORING the part of it being based therefore not a true detailed biopic has little merit.To Spike Lee's credit he DID have Stallworth depicted at the beginning of the film as somewhat of a misguided c00n who only cared about joining the police force and willing to be a mole into the black panther party. He didn't have to even have that in there since the film was about the KKK and infiltrating them. But he felt it was necessary largely because he want that KWAME TURE speech in it. Same as he wanted that Harry Belefonte cameo speech. Two of the most powerful speeches that NEEDED to be said. But Boots rather focus on the wrong things and have the wrong interpretation of what this film been about. Nevermind that Stallworth in the FILM evolved the further he invested himself in being a mole of the KKK. Nevermind that his girl STILL dumped him because he still want to remain in the police force despite them fukking him over....but this is supposedly a "pro-cop" movie.

Does not matter how thorough his reasoning is. It is still a bullshyt reasoning. I would slightly understand had this been only about the life of Stallworth, but it is not nor pretended that it was. It was about the exposure of the KKK in the modern age and how it related to what we are CURRENTLY dealing with today. The film is a FICTIONAL ACCOUNT based on a true story. It made that clear.
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Seriously. Just let the shyt go. Let Spike cook, Boots and Boots you cook. nikkas always gotta turn against themselves and dice everything up which is exactly what people want us to do. We fall for that shyt every time

yep, our folks still don't understand this :snoop:
 

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I'mma chalk this up to Boots (and Spike) both being Late-40s and up. That generation didn't even make a surface attempt to do the whole Black/Entertainment Solidarity thing. None of those older nikkas seem like each other, from Spike to Singleton to Perry to Daniels etc. From what I've seen these dudes don't even really acknowledge each other, much less connect, collab and build.

If, for example, Klansman was just Peele and STBY was, say, Lakeith or Glover behind the camera, this wouldn't be happening. Those older nikkas are still playin' by Highlander, there can only be one rules.

At least that's how I'm seeing it.
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