Black Schools Matter – Chicago Protestors Go on Hunger Strike to Save Their Last Neighborhood School

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Why the emphasis on charters considering their poor educational outcomes? Why not just properly fund and support the existing public schools? Privatization of education has negative effects on students and faculty alike.

Public schools reflect their communities. Some are great and some struggle because they serve impoverished communities. And the U.S. has an especially backwards way of funding these disadvantaged schools:

Because by funding the public schools you are just funding a decrepit bureaucracy and rewarding failure

It's better to eliminate the system and start from scratch
 
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I will repeat. With today's school choice, only the worst students wind up at the local high school that is forced to accept everyone. Chicago has 11 selective high schools, plus magnet schools, and charter schools for good students to choose from.

New York City has the same phenomenon. I have commented quite a bit on Boys and Girls High in Brooklyn which is close to being closed down. http://www.thecoli.com/threads/brooklyns-boys-and-girls-high-school-fights-failure.253545/

Can you name a low-achieving high school that was turned around in the last 20 years with proper funding and support that served the same demographic, black and low-income? I don't believe it exists unless they added a magnet program and bused in whites and Asians.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Even if we accept your claims I don't see what it has to do with these organizers fighting to re-open a well-funded public school that would serve the needs of children in the Bronzeville community. Wouldn't you agree that it's important for families to have good local, public schooling to send their children to?

@A Real Human Bean I read the OECD information that you posted. The countries that provide resources equally to all students don't claim to have closed the income achievement-gap. Low-income students still score lower on standardized tests than higher-income students.

I didn't post that information to say that those countries "closed the income achievement-gap". I posted to show that he U.S. has an especially backwards way of funding disadvantaged schools in comparison with most developed countries.
 

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Even if we accept your claims I don't see what it has to do with these organizers fighting to re-open a well-funded public school that would serve the needs of children in the Bronzeville community. Wouldn't you agree that it's important for families to have good local schooling to send their children to?



I didn't post that information to say that those countries "closed the income achievement-gap". I posted to show that he U.S. has an especially backwards way of funding disadvantaged schools in comparison with most developed countries.

You seem to believe that more funding in Bronzeville will lead to serving the needs of the children. Serve them how? If you don't think closing the income achievement gap is important, what do you want accomplished at the school? A request for more money requires results that can be measured.

What difference does it make what I think? I keep saying that parents pulled their kids out of the school before it closed, In 2009 the school had 600 students, by 2013 it was 160, 2014 it was 12. Who besides these 11 activists are demanding that the school stay open?

Dyett High School
 

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people shouldnt get caught up in mainstream lingo, as black people our goal shouldn't be to "close the achievement gap" our goal is to make sure black children have superior education not equal education
 

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You seem to believe that more funding in Bronzeville will lead to serving the needs of the children. Serve them how? If you don't think closing the income achievement gap is important, what do you want accomplished at the school? A request for more money requires results that can be measured.

What difference does it make what I think? I keep saying that parents pulled their kids out of the school before it closed, In 2009 the school had 600 students, by 2013 it was 160, 2014 it was 12. Who besides these 11 activists are demanding that the school stay open?

Dyett High School

Well, for one, I think you misunderstand the situation. The CPS has already decided to re-open the school. They are now taking proposals. The proposal supported by the protesters is one
for the creation of Walter Dyett Global Leadership and Green Technology Academy. The proposal, which explains how this school will "lead to serving the needs of the children", can be read here.
I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I "don't think closing the income achievement gap is important", but that is the farthest thing from the truth.

The 11 activists you're referring to are just the ones participating in the hunger strike. The Coalition to Revitalize Dyett High School actually includes the Chicago Teachers Union, the Chicago Botanic Garden, Teachers for Social Justice and other groups.
 

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I work at a charter in a large urban environment so I have some insight on the success rate of charters. In this particular state students are required to pass certain standards at the 3rd 7th and 8th grade level. All are required to test occasional throughout and other remedial test when necessary. I have to say though from my personal experience working closely with students on a daily charters do offer a ton of resources. They may not be totally effective in so many words but Certainly give the students a edge.
 

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Well, for one, I think you misunderstand the situation. The CPS has already decided to re-open the school. They are now taking proposals. The proposal supported by the protesters is one
for the creation of Walter Dyett Global Leadership and Green Technology Academy. The proposal, which explains how this school will "lead to serving the needs of the children", can be read here.
I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I "don't think closing the income achievement gap is important", but that is the farthest thing from the truth.

The 11 activists you're referring to are just the ones participating in the hunger strike. The Coalition to Revitalize Dyett High School actually includes the Chicago Teachers Union, the Chicago Botanic Garden, Teachers for Social Justice and other groups.

You are right, I didn't realize the school was re-opening (next year according to the link), the ridiculous hunger strike threw me off. Of course teachers' unions want traditional public schools to remain open, that's where their members work.

I read the link and the group that wants to keep Dyett a traditional high school is proposing music classes, some AP courses, and an extra year of Spanish. They were really vague about offering art classes and I didn't read anything about physical education, although I might have missed that. They mentioned Jones High School in Orlando, FL. If that is their target for achievement, then it is doable
 

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I work at a charter in a large urban environment so I have some insight on the success rate of charters. In this particular state students are required to pass certain standards at the 3rd 7th and 8th grade level. All are required to test occasional throughout and other remedial test when necessary. I have to say though from my personal experience working closely with students on a daily charters do offer a ton of resources. They may not be totally effective in so many words but Certainly give the students a edge.

That's the problem with this high school. No one is talking about fixing the k-8 feed schools. The schools that feed into Dyett are Mollison, Burke, Dulles, Fuller, Robinson, and Woodson South. I looked them up on SchoolDIgger and they are some of the worst K-8 in the state of Illinois.

As far as resources go, I don't know if Dyett gets less fundiing or not than any school in Chicago or Illinois. It is a Title I school, usually they receive more money. The best funded schools in the US are in DC and most of them are awful.

38% of the kids at Dyett are special needs and there is a 20% turnover of students every year. Chicago Public Schools
 

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That's the problem with this high school. No one is talking about fixing the k-8 feed schools. The schools that feed into Dyett are Mollison, Burke, Dulles, Fuller, Robinson, and Woodson South. I looked them up on SchoolDIgger and they are some of the worst K-8 in the state of Illinois.

As far as resources go, I don't know if Dyett gets less fundiing or not than any school in Chicago or Illinois. It is a Title I school, usually they receive more money. The best funded schools in the US are in DC and most of them are awful.

38% of the kids at Dyett are special needs and there is a 20% turnover of students every year. Chicago Public Schools

Agree! We have titles who rarely work, intervention specialist, speech/language, other resources around the building but score terribly the past 2 years. If I'm not mistaken the ONLY reason the school didn't close was due to a change in leadership. That is to say that the school recently transition and merge with a bigger entity with more resources. Hopefully all fairs well at the end. The kids deserve a high quality education.

On a side note even with so much available parents have to become more involved so kids can be successful. This is how kids in suburbia seem to edge ahead. School is a full time job. Parents need to engage with kids, help with homework and possibly work on enrichment after. There is no excuse.
 
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