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i fail to see how your argument makes sense. You are bringing up a fantasy that a bunch of shyt will go out of wack with taxes, property claims etc. because somebody would have multiple wives/husbands. The main point is that you fail to see how you are a hypocrite for talking all this consenting adult shyt and anybody should be able to do what they want but yet you would be against polygamy, that doesn't make sense. The shyt you are bringing up is in the same realm as somebody saying if gay marriage is allowed then dudes will be swinging dildos in churches. What if 3 gay guys wanted to marry eachother?
Actually, we have live studies to back this up:

The middle east.

There is a dearth of young, educated women to address the needs of SCORES of men who are left to fight over a dwindling supply of mates.

In polygamous societies


again, I support polyamory, if thats what you want to do...but I dont support the notion that more than two people can enter a legally binding union to confer property, assets/inheritance, etc.

Marriage is a contract, not some "spiritual" shyt you religious nutbags don't undersatnd. Its a legal status conferred by the government.

Legally binding one mate to dozens of others repeated hundreds of times leads to a lack of viable mates for qualified individuals.
 

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Actually, we have live studies to back this up:

The middle east.

There is a dearth of young, educated women to address the needs of SCORES of men who are left to fight over a dwindling supply of mates.

In polygamous societies


again, I support polyamory, if thats what you want to do...but I dont support the notion that more than two people can enter a legally binding union to confer property, assets/inheritance, etc.

Marriage is a contract, not some "spiritual" shyt you religious nutbags don't undersatnd. Its a legal status conferred by the government.

Legally binding one mate to dozens of others repeated hundreds of times leads to a lack of viable mates for qualified individuals.

This isn't reality. not all middle eastern men take multiple wives, a muslim can only have like 4 wives but only if he can support them, so basically only if he is rich, and only like 4.

Polygamy is rare in the middle east

Now, certainly in South Asia and across the Muslim world it is anathema. Freedman might like to be a fly-on-the-wall of a Muslim household from Cairo to Karachi where the husband dares ask his wife whether he can marry again (and he is obligated to secure her permission). It is as unacceptable, and far less prevalent, than having an extra-marital affair. Polygamy is illegal in Turkey and Tunisia and is put at 3% in Egypt according to official figures. Mufti Barkatulla, who drew up the UK Muslim marriage contract and sits on the family panel of judges for the UK Islamic Shari'ah Council, knows of not one polygamous marriage among second-generation Muslims in Britain
Article is From 2008
http://www.theguardian.com/world/belief/2008/nov/21/islam-polygamy-do-not-want

The following countries restrict the practice of polygyny:




Some countries, including India, Iran, Iraq, Bangladesh, Algeria, Lebanon, Morocco, Jordan, and Kuwait, allow women to include a clause prohibiting polygyny in marriage contracts.[20][21] Other countries, such as Iran and Pakistan, require that a man get permission to take a second wife from his first wife, and then show the court proof of his first wife's consent.[20] Finally, countries such as Malaysia state that a man must get permission from both his wife and from the governmental religious authority in order to take a second.[20]

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This isn't reality. not all middle eastern men take multiple wives, a muslim can only have like 4 wives but only if he can support them, so basically only if he is rich, and only like 4.

Polygamy is rare in the middle east

Article is From 2008
http://www.theguardian.com/world/belief/2008/nov/21/islam-polygamy-do-not-want





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This is WHY polygamy doesn't work.

its not about WHO you stick your dikk in (cause that doesn't matter if you're already gay), its that it creates SCORES of young angry men who can't compete for women or have any chance with them.
 

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This is WHY polygamy doesn't work.

its not about WHO you stick your dikk in (cause that doesn't matter if you're already gay), its that it creates SCORES of young angry men who can't compete for women or have any chance with them.
it doesn't. The stats prove that most men don't even want to have multiple wives and it doesn't create scores of angry young men. Just like how letting gay people marry doesn't break the earth in half.
 

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Actually, we have live studies to back this up:

The middle east.

There is a dearth of young, educated women to address the needs of SCORES of men who are left to fight over a dwindling supply of mates.

In polygamous societies


again, I support polyamory, if thats what you want to do...but I dont support the notion that more than two people can enter a legally binding union to confer property, assets/inheritance, etc.

Marriage is a contract, not some "spiritual" shyt you religious nutbags don't undersatnd. Its a legal status conferred by the government.

Legally binding one mate to dozens of others repeated hundreds of times leads to a lack of viable mates for qualified individuals.
So more than two people are unable to engage in a contract?
 

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it doesn't. The stats prove that most men don't even want to have multiple wives and it doesn't create scores of angry young men. Just like how letting gay people marry doesn't break the earth in half.

Polygamy isn't an option so dudes cant reasonably report on WANTING more than one wife.

Simply put, Polygamy only benefits the wealthy and men/women with status. Over time, less women invest time in single mates because those with already more than one partner have a leg up in terms of proving their worth.
 

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Polygamy isn't an option so dudes cant reasonably report on WANTING more than one wife.

Simply put, Polygamy only benefits the wealthy and men/women with status. Over time, less women invest time in single mates because those with already more than one partner have a leg up in terms of proving their worth.
brah this is up and down retarded:mjlol:
are you not reading the stats? IN EGYPT, ONLY 3% OF MARRIAGES ARE POLYGAMY. where does your theory that over time woman will only go after 1 man fit into this?:dwillhuh: It doesn't:pachaha: It's wrong.
 

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brah this is up and down retarded:mjlol:
are you not reading the stats? IN EGYPT, ONLY 3% OF MARRIAGES ARE POLYGAMY. where does your theory that over time woman will only go after 1 man fit into this?:dwillhuh: It doesn't:pachaha: It's wrong.




Better Halves:At Least 44.1% Saudi Men Practice Polygamy


THE Kingdom has been facing a new wave of growing polygamy over the past 10 years.

At least 44.1 percent of Saudi men are practicing polygamy to more than two or three wives.

Recent studies show that 44 percent of Saudi men were married to more than one wife during the period from 2000 to 2002. The percentage of infertile women has reached 39.8, according to those studies.

"When I was married to my first wife I waited five years until I decided to get married to the second one," said Ayman Faqy, 37, from Jeddah. "I want to be a father whether she agrees or not."

During 1999, there were 1.5 million unmarried Saudi women, and the number grew to 4 million in 2003.

Dana Yamany said that polygamy is fine with her as long as men do it to follow the example of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but they should follow his lead in other ways as well.

"They should follow his example in other things first," she said, "like how to treat their first wives in the first place, before thinking of having a second one."

Yamany has been married for five years and has two daughters.

"If I know that he has a good reason to have another wife, I'll be the first to look for one for him," she claimed.

Other studies give different reasons for the increasing cases of polygamy. Men mostly do it to have children, discharge extra sexual energy, or because their first wives are ill.

Sheikh Ahmad Ayoub of Riyadh said there are many reasons for a man to have more than one wife.

"One reason could be that the wife is ill, or there may be sexual issues," he said. "Others could be of parenting and the husband wanting to have a child, other cases could be that the husband himself has extra energy."

According to social studies, the trend of polygamy in Arab and Muslim countries has been on the rise recently. In the past decade, more than 30 percent of men in countries such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Syria have been married to more than one wife.

According to traditional Islamic law, a man may take up to four wives, and each of those wives must have her own property, assets, and dowry, and be treated as well as humanly possible as the other wives. In theory, Muslim polygamy should be restricted to wealthy men, and in some countries it is illegal for a man to have many wives if he is unable to afford to take care of each of them properly.

Unless a man is confident that he can be scrupulously fair to all of his wives, he must remain monogamous. Islamic law assures that the man must spend absolutely the same amount of time, money, treatment and esteem of love with each of his wives.

It has been widely agreed in the Islamic world that mere human beings cannot fulfill this Qur'anic requirement. It is simply impossible to show such impartiality.

Sheikh Asem Al-Hakeem of the Jafar Al-Tayyar mosque in Jeddah, said it all depends on the man's capability.

"Polygamy is recommended if the man is tolerant, kind and has the capability to communicate with women," he said.

Hakeem added that there is an increasing number of women in comparison to men, which makes it difficult for many women to find husbands. He said women need to feel loved, and they can fulfill these feelings through marriage - or else they might commit such wrong things as adultery.

"A woman needs to fulfill her needs because this is human nature," said Hakeem. "When it comes to practicing polygamy the man must implement it through default Islamic guidelines where he has to be fair in spending money and time."

What Experts Say
Studies have shown that men are far more likely to choose multiple wives than women.

An ordinary man who makes just enough money to support himself cannot possibly provide an equally decent quality of life to all his wives, which means that he must not have multiple wives.

According to Dr. Hassan Ali, a physician, the male ego has a big part to play in polygamy.

"Many men tend to take more wives out of sheer desire," he said. "They feel that they have the money, energy and the strength to have more than one or two wives."

Azza Al-Mehdar, a social analyst, said, "when it comes to men, they have to put ahead of them the reasons why they want to have more than one wife. Usually some of them do it for fun, while others want to do so just to show off."

She said that in some cases the man could consider it as his duty to sustain a family tradition, where he has two or three stepmothers.

Some men feel that they want many children, while most of them can't even remember the names of all of them.

"This usually happens in tribal families, since they are used to this sort of thing," she added.

A virility specialist in a private hospital who did not want to be named, said that some men could have specific needs to get married to more than one wife for many reasons.

He noted that the reasons could be because of sexual needs which are usually 70 percent of the cases, others could have problems with their wives who can't perform sexually or they could be ill. In other cases it could be due to sheer boredom with their wives and want to inject some sparkle into their sex lives.

For or Against?
Khalid Elyas, 29 of Jeddah, said, "I'm not a fan of polygamy. It's hard to have one wife in your life; just the thought of what could happen with more than one makes you take the whole idea out of your head."

Salim Al-Attas, 52, and married to three wives, said, "It's not a big deal to get married to more than one as long as you have the potential to be fair in your money and time."

Yasmein Saaty, 36 of Al-Khobar, said, "I'm against polygamy because if the husband loves his wife why should he go and get married again? There are rules and restrictions to those who need to get married. It's not a game."

Amina Abdullah, 37 from Jeddah, said, "I got married when I was 27. It has been 10 years now but I asked my husband if he wants to be married again and he said yes."

Amina understood him and even chose him his second wife, "We live together in one building but we rarely see each other. As long as he's happy and enjoying his time I don't mind."

Not Just For Fun
Abdullah Abu-Bakur, 45, was married to Dalal Muhy-Aldien for 16 years. They had a daughter who died at the age of 5. After several attempts, they could only have a daughter who is 11 years old now. Medical reports assured that Dalal can never bear children again.

Her husband, Abdullah, decided to get married, But unfortunately his other two marriages could not last long.

"It really hurts when you know that your husband is shared by another woman," said Dalal. "I never slept without crying just of the thought that he's with another woman but I couldn't do anything about it. He wants more children and I can't give anymore."

Abu-Bakur admitted that after 16 years of marriage it was hard to get used to another wife. "I wanted to have more children, I was desperate but in the end I stayed only with the mother of my only daughter."

Nuha Arafa, 36 of Jeddah said, "I've been married to my husband for 7 years and we have two children. I was shocked when he told me that he wants a second wife."

By Shroog Talal Radain
The Saudi Gazette

JEDDAH
 

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Lol@who u choose to have sex with being equated to the color of skin you were born with, very:demonic:
 

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Better Halves:At Least 44.1% Saudi Men Practice Polygamy


THE Kingdom has been facing a new wave of growing polygamy over the past 10 years.

At least 44.1 percent of Saudi men are practicing polygamy to more than two or three wives.

Recent studies show that 44 percent of Saudi men were married to more than one wife during the period from 2000 to 2002. The percentage of infertile women has reached 39.8, according to those studies.

"When I was married to my first wife I waited five years until I decided to get married to the second one," said Ayman Faqy, 37, from Jeddah. "I want to be a father whether she agrees or not."

During 1999, there were 1.5 million unmarried Saudi women, and the number grew to 4 million in 2003.

Dana Yamany said that polygamy is fine with her as long as men do it to follow the example of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), but they should follow his lead in other ways as well.

"They should follow his example in other things first," she said, "like how to treat their first wives in the first place, before thinking of having a second one."

Yamany has been married for five years and has two daughters.

"If I know that he has a good reason to have another wife, I'll be the first to look for one for him," she claimed.

Other studies give different reasons for the increasing cases of polygamy. Men mostly do it to have children, discharge extra sexual energy, or because their first wives are ill.

Sheikh Ahmad Ayoub of Riyadh said there are many reasons for a man to have more than one wife.

"One reason could be that the wife is ill, or there may be sexual issues," he said. "Others could be of parenting and the husband wanting to have a child, other cases could be that the husband himself has extra energy."

According to social studies, the trend of polygamy in Arab and Muslim countries has been on the rise recently. In the past decade, more than 30 percent of men in countries such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Syria have been married to more than one wife.

According to traditional Islamic law, a man may take up to four wives, and each of those wives must have her own property, assets, and dowry, and be treated as well as humanly possible as the other wives. In theory, Muslim polygamy should be restricted to wealthy men, and in some countries it is illegal for a man to have many wives if he is unable to afford to take care of each of them properly.

Unless a man is confident that he can be scrupulously fair to all of his wives, he must remain monogamous. Islamic law assures that the man must spend absolutely the same amount of time, money, treatment and esteem of love with each of his wives.

It has been widely agreed in the Islamic world that mere human beings cannot fulfill this Qur'anic requirement. It is simply impossible to show such impartiality.

Sheikh Asem Al-Hakeem of the Jafar Al-Tayyar mosque in Jeddah, said it all depends on the man's capability.

"Polygamy is recommended if the man is tolerant, kind and has the capability to communicate with women," he said.

Hakeem added that there is an increasing number of women in comparison to men, which makes it difficult for many women to find husbands. He said women need to feel loved, and they can fulfill these feelings through marriage - or else they might commit such wrong things as adultery.

"A woman needs to fulfill her needs because this is human nature," said Hakeem. "When it comes to practicing polygamy the man must implement it through default Islamic guidelines where he has to be fair in spending money and time."

What Experts Say
Studies have shown that men are far more likely to choose multiple wives than women.

An ordinary man who makes just enough money to support himself cannot possibly provide an equally decent quality of life to all his wives, which means that he must not have multiple wives.

According to Dr. Hassan Ali, a physician, the male ego has a big part to play in polygamy.

"Many men tend to take more wives out of sheer desire," he said. "They feel that they have the money, energy and the strength to have more than one or two wives."

Azza Al-Mehdar, a social analyst, said, "when it comes to men, they have to put ahead of them the reasons why they want to have more than one wife. Usually some of them do it for fun, while others want to do so just to show off."

She said that in some cases the man could consider it as his duty to sustain a family tradition, where he has two or three stepmothers.

Some men feel that they want many children, while most of them can't even remember the names of all of them.

"This usually happens in tribal families, since they are used to this sort of thing," she added.

A virility specialist in a private hospital who did not want to be named, said that some men could have specific needs to get married to more than one wife for many reasons.

He noted that the reasons could be because of sexual needs which are usually 70 percent of the cases, others could have problems with their wives who can't perform sexually or they could be ill. In other cases it could be due to sheer boredom with their wives and want to inject some sparkle into their sex lives.

For or Against?
Khalid Elyas, 29 of Jeddah, said, "I'm not a fan of polygamy. It's hard to have one wife in your life; just the thought of what could happen with more than one makes you take the whole idea out of your head."

Salim Al-Attas, 52, and married to three wives, said, "It's not a big deal to get married to more than one as long as you have the potential to be fair in your money and time."

Yasmein Saaty, 36 of Al-Khobar, said, "I'm against polygamy because if the husband loves his wife why should he go and get married again? There are rules and restrictions to those who need to get married. It's not a game."

Amina Abdullah, 37 from Jeddah, said, "I got married when I was 27. It has been 10 years now but I asked my husband if he wants to be married again and he said yes."

Amina understood him and even chose him his second wife, "We live together in one building but we rarely see each other. As long as he's happy and enjoying his time I don't mind."

Not Just For Fun
Abdullah Abu-Bakur, 45, was married to Dalal Muhy-Aldien for 16 years. They had a daughter who died at the age of 5. After several attempts, they could only have a daughter who is 11 years old now. Medical reports assured that Dalal can never bear children again.

Her husband, Abdullah, decided to get married, But unfortunately his other two marriages could not last long.

"It really hurts when you know that your husband is shared by another woman," said Dalal. "I never slept without crying just of the thought that he's with another woman but I couldn't do anything about it. He wants more children and I can't give anymore."

Abu-Bakur admitted that after 16 years of marriage it was hard to get used to another wife. "I wanted to have more children, I was desperate but in the end I stayed only with the mother of my only daughter."

Nuha Arafa, 36 of Jeddah said, "I've been married to my husband for 7 years and we have two children. I was shocked when he told me that he wants a second wife."

By Shroog Talal Radain
The Saudi Gazette

JEDDAH

  • this doesn't prove that there will be shortage of woman because of polygamy
  • in the article itself it has many people saying they don't agree with polygamy, and doesn't mention any shortages of woman, but an increase of single woman in a span of 4 years.
  • Saudi Arabia is unique because it's the holy land and they follow the quran more strictly and the quran allows multiple wives simply.
 

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I'd rather see civil unions get elevated rights instead of removing sanctity of marriage, which at its core promotes procreation. I never denied its state given benefits, but the reasoning behind it has everything to do with continuance of humanity.

Regardless, dudes points about gay rights are pretty spot on. If you have to announce you self in order to be discriminated its not on the same plateau of civil rights, which are inherit
I don't think there is sanctity in marriage anymore.












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I agree that we shouldn't compare black to gays in a civil rights context mainly because of the historical aspects of what each group has done to get their rights. But as black people we shouldn't be worried about what gay people are doing unless it lessens our own civil rights. We need to mind our own business and continue moving forward. But we all know these arguments are coming from the church. The same church that takes money from the homosexuals that populate it's churches on the low. It brings me back to my original point...who gives a fukk if two homosexuals get married. Man or woman? As long as they pay into the system (taxes), who cares? People are getting too involved in other people's private affairs. Relying on a book that was written thousands of years ago by SEVERAL different hands to justify your thoughts and actions today? :rudy: I don't if I'm just a realist but if a nikka is gay, he is going to be gay forever. No changing that. Why are worried about what he is doing. Or what she is doing? :mindblown: That's about as bad as counting the money in someone else's wallet.
 

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I agree that we shouldn't compare black to gays in a civil rights context mainly because of the historical aspects of what each group has done to get their rights. But as black people we shouldn't be worried about what gay people are doing unless it lessens our own civil rights. We need to mind our own business and continue moving forward.

we would if they kept our name out of their mouth. Do you but no, they gotta bring black folks in this mess that they got going on all because of Prop 8 hurt their feelings. We don't share the same values as they do. Leave us out of your 'struggle' and we wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Instead you clearly see propaganda geared toward us to sway our opinion and make us side with them. All of us don't get down like that...and we don't appreciate them watering down our plight.
 
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