Black people should at least consider voting republican

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The persistent idea that a war was necessary to end slavery despite the fact it was ended everywhere* else without one is insane.


I for one believe the war was over slavery ostensibly... but its not really sticky enough a point to argue over

The abolitionist, the Union, or even in this case the "government" (Lincoln) didn't think war was necessary either because they didn't start it, the South did.

 

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The abolitionist, the Union, or even in this case the "government" (Lincoln) didn't think war was necessary either because they didn't start it, the South did.

good point

 

[Street Knowledge]

When you think about it, No one has been lied to or harmed more by the government than African americans. That's pretty much an indisputable fact. Look at Black lives matter, it's a movement all about bringing light to the ongoing problem of government(because the police are the government) murdering black people on a daily basis

The democratic party's entire platform is based on the idea of I'm going to take this same government that has shytted on you relentlessly(heck, half the time we are the ones doing the shytting: See Bill Clinton) and I'm going to use it "the right way" to improve your lives.

 

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I fundamentally disagree with quite a few of thier stances on issues that are important to me and my family. Add to that the racist undertones of some of their rhetoric and policies....So, nope.

 

[SirReginald]

I fundamentally disagree with quite a few of thier stances on issues that are important to me and my family. Add to that the racist undertones of some of their rhetoric and policies....So, nope.

They have different factions within the Republican Party. It's just not hard core conservatives. Hell, the new age Republicans are trying to get a Progressive movement started in it.

 

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They have different factions within the Republican Party. It's just not hard core conservatives. Hell, the new age Republicans are trying to get a Progressive movement started in it.

TRUE and yet all of their movements are full of racist and or c00ns. lets be real here.

now that doesnt give the dems a pass. they are racist as well. so whats the difference?well this years presidential election to me says they are the same. so thats why i will vote for neither. but every blue moon you get a bernie type of dude. still white. still wont go all in on black issues. BUT, at least at the bare minimum he will do some things overall that would still affect us in a positive fashion. for instance. one of my reparations points would be for all blacks to have free educatoin from age 0 to forever at any level of education,pre-k to graduate school should be 100% FREE for all blacks. if bernie comes around and makes state collect free and JC's free. that aint 100% of what i wanted for blacks. but it sure is better than what it currently looks like right now. thats something repubs would never do.

universal health care would help a ton of blacks. no it wasnt intended to be a special hook up for black folks. but even if its done nation wide it would still greatly benefit black folks. again this is something the right side would never do.

 

[SirReginald]

TRUE and yet all of their movements are full of racist and or c00ns. lets be real here.

now that doesnt give the dems a pass. they are racist as well. so whats the difference?well this years presidential election to me says they are the same. so thats why i will vote for neither. but every blue moon you get a bernie type of dude. still white. still wont go all in on black issues. BUT, at least at the bare minimum he will do some things overall that would still affect us in a positive fashion. for instance. one of my reparations points would be for all blacks to have free educatoin from age 0 to forever at any level of education,pre-k to graduate school should be 100% FREE for all blacks. if bernie comes around and makes state collect free and JC's free. that aint 100% of what i wanted for blacks. but it sure is better than what it currently looks like right now. thats something repubs would never do.

universal health care would help a ton of blacks. no it wasnt intended to be a special hook up for black folks. but even if its done nation wide it would still greatly benefit black folks. again this is something the right side would never do.

The right side in my opinion wants us to do for ourselves. I'll admit they have a hard time conveying that message. Hopefully, the Republican Party will have more Progressive and Libertarian types come through. Also, nowadays the Democratic Party is horrible. Seriously horrible.

 

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The right side in my opinion wants us to do for ourselves. I'll admit they have a hard time conveying that message. Hopefully, the Republican Party will have more Progressive and Libertarian types come through. Also, nowadays the Democratic Party is horrible. Seriously horrible.

No they dont. dont you listen to that nonsense.

The right side wants us to go away. thats it and thats all. They want us to go away so all of their broke white friends/family can come to the table asking for stuff.

If you wanted us to do for ourselves. you would hire us when we are qualified. but you dont, you choose to hire people who look like you even when they have less skill. when the stats show an ex con white man has a greater chance of getting a job than a black man with a bachelors degree with no record. should tell you all you need to know. THEY dont want us to do anything positive. If they did, they would help us out. If this country was 100% white or 90% white like say norway or something. universal healthcare, free college, etc would be a legit thing. they are always on a "Well Your black. a... can't have it" kick. dont listen to what they say, watch what they do.

 

[SirReginald]

No they dont. dont you listen to that nonsense.

The right side wants us to go away. thats it and thats all. They want us to go away so all of their broke white friends/family can come to the table asking for stuff.

If you wanted us to do for ourselves. you would hire us when we are qualified. but you dont, you choose to hire people who look like you even when they have less skill. when the stats show an ex con white man has a greater chance of getting a job than a black man with a bachelors degree with no record. should tell you all you need to know. THEY dont want us to do anything positive. If they did, they would help us out. If this country was 100% white or 90% white like say norway or something. universal healthcare, free college, etc would be a legit thing. they are always on a "Well Your black. a... can't have it" kick. dont listen to what they say, watch what they do.

Doesn't this apply to the Democrats too The Democrats are worse. Granted, BOTH parties have a problem. This is why I hope the Green Party and Libertarian Party break out this year.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Republican party pays more lip service to blacks, and sometimes they don't even bother to do that, than the democrats.

Here are the current choices. A party that at least won't do anything and another party that is ACTIVELY working against your interests.

Republicans are the ones who are gerrymandering districts to minimize the voting powers of minorities. They are the ones who are pushing against basic civil rights laws that were enacted during the civil rights period for blacks (see section 5 of the Voting Rights act that was overturned in the Supreme court). Their supporters are often the worst kind of racists. Republican rhetoric is apologetic and supportive of heavy handed police methods and discrimination. This is the same group that will advocate racial profiling and things that negatively affect blacks.

Blacks don't just not vote for Republicans blindly. Republicans give them plenty of reasons.


The most you can attribute the democrats with is inactive apathy. I prefer that even if they are both shytty decisions.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Recommend people listen to this Fresh Air interview with a guy who covers the efforts of republicans to gerrymander after their 2010 wins and how it affects you more than a president racially.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Yes and no....only some people switched but both parties changed strategies but you could tell that the democrats hadnt lost that racism...it just became more subtle and paternalistic

Because stupid and immoral ideas dont last very long unless they are backed up by legislation and paid for by taxpayers...if we both had convenience stores and you put up a sign saying "no negros"..and mine says "everybody welcome" you are immediately at a disadvantage
You will make less money,Angry activists can legally protest outside and slowly drive you out of business and soon you will be in bankrupcy and ill be buying your store at the auction.
The only way you can survive is if there is a almost totally white customer base , they must support your idiocy AND the Govt doesnt protect you from the public backlash....

There is already a de facto segregation at certain places like country clubs and in a few parts of the world businesses are segregated along tribal and ethnic lines but its not as rigid or as brutal because it isnt enforced by the govt and paid for by taxpayers so as soon as enough people have a problem with it its quickly dismantled,

while Johnson wasn't a very PC person and used the word ******, he genuinely believed in equal rights for blacks and fought tooth and nails. He pretty much became an outcast to southern dixiecrats and his actions related to civil rights is a direct cause that the south is deep red now.

That quote hasn't been verified and the only known source is a book written 30 years later by someone who tends to write "sexy behind the scenes" type of books.

Did LBJ really say 'I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years' when passing the Great Society legislation? - Quora

 

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while Johnson wasn't a very PC person and used the word ******, he genuinely believed in equal rights for blacks and fought tooth and nails. He pretty much became an outcast to southern dixiecrats and his actions related to civil rights is a direct cause that the south is deep red now.

That quote hasn't been verified and the only known source is a book written 30 years later by someone who tends to write "sexy behind the scenes" type of books.

Did LBJ really say 'I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years' when passing the Great Society legislation? - Quora

Theres several sources that confimed he said it...it wasnt outrageous in the 60s for old white southerners to say the word but whats more important is the rest..he knew his social welfare programs would probably disintegrate the black community..many economists and sociologists raised the alarm but he went on anyway because it bought negros loyalty,

LBJ has done more damage than all the southern democrats put together

How the Welfare State Has Devastated African Americans - Discover the Networks

The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty. Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.7% of all arrests for homicide, 31.8% of arrests for forcible rape, 33.5% of arrests for aggravated assault, and 55% of arrests for robbery. Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (about 3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.


When President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 launched the so-called War on Poverty, which enacted an unprecedented amount of antipoverty legislationand added many new layers to the American welfare state, he explained that his objective was to reduce dependency, “break the cycle of poverty,” and make “taxpayers out of tax eaters.” Johnson further claimed that his programs would bring to an end the “conditions that breed despair and violence,” those being “ignorance, discrimination, slums, poverty, disease, not enough jobs.” Of particular concern to Johnson was the disproportionately high rate of black poverty. In a famous June 1965 speech, the president suggested that the problems plaguing black Americans could not be solved by self-help: “You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'you are free to compete with all the others,'” said Johnson.

You can disagree with me on his intention but we cant dispute the effects

 

[Dr. Acula]

You can disagree with me on his intention but we cant dispute the effects

Was about to say this. Yeah, he genuinely considered poverty and tackling poverty an important project for his administration. It wasn't done out of some Machiavellian devious intent. That is all I'm saying.

People shouldn't confuse intent with results.

 

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Doesn't this apply to the Democrats too The Democrats are worse. Granted, BOTH parties have a problem. This is why I hope the Green Party and Libertarian Party break out this year.

dems dont at least try that nonsense lie about "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps." they know thats not possible since the cism stole our bootstraps. the cold thing is, the dems were apart of the thievery too. so there's no true win with either squad. again which is why i somewhat like the bern. that dude was a faux dem. he only road with them to get a little extra hype train behind him. since we live in a two party system. its hard for a non 2 party candidate to rise to the top. the media wont even put you on TV. they wont interview on top radio shows. thats how cold the game is right now.

no love. zero love for any other opinions outside of the 2 party establishment.