Black people should at least consider voting republican

[SirReginald]

You'd vote for a libertarian who can't consistently answer whether he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act or not?

To be honest, they look at that differently. It's because of some of the legislature, not caping that's in there. I have to read and listen more on that topic before I can give my final conclusion. Also, I forgot to add in other 3rd parties. The Democrats don't care about my views, so why should I still stay

 

[JahFocus CS]

Another #SplitTheVote'r?

 

[Piff Perkins]

To be honest, they look at that differently. It's because of some of the legislature, not caping that's in there. I have to read and listen more on that topic before I can give my final conclusion. Also, I forgot to add in other 3rd parties. The Democrats don't care about my views, so why should I still stay

I'll fill you in. Libertarians like Rand don't believe in any government interference in state business. Their argument is that there was no need for ending Jim Crow or a Civil Rights bill because the market would correct itself eventually. IE "sooner or later businesses who discriminated against blacks would suffer and be forced to change their own policies." Utter nonsense that I can't imagine any black person cosigning.

It's the same argument some people use when saying the Civil War should never have been fought. "Eventually the south would have realized slavery was having a negative impact on their image and they would have abandoned it brehs"

 

[Piff Perkins]

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[Piff Perkins]

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[Godless Socialist CEO]

Libertarianism is about terrifying as full blown fascism imo.

 

[DEAD7]

I'll fill you in. Libertarians like Rand don't believe in any government interference in state business. Their argument is that there was no need for ending Jim Crow or a Civil Rights bill because the market would correct itself eventually. IE "sooner or later businesses who discriminated against blacks would suffer and be forced to change their own policies." Utter nonsense that I can't imagine any black person cosigning.

It's the same argument some people use when saying the Civil War should never have been fought. "Eventually the south would have realized slavery was having a negative impact on their image and they would have abandoned it brehs"

I love this stuff

 

[SirReginald]

I love this stuff

I can't even any more man. Seriously, I just can't.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I love this stuff

almost @'d you


you gonna deny that many libertarians don't support the Civil War decision?

 

[DEAD7]

almost @'d you


you gonna deny that many libertarians don't support the Civil War decision?

The persistent idea that a war was necessary to end slavery despite the fact it was ended everywhere* else without one is insane.


I for one believe the war was over slavery ostensibly... but its not really sticky enough a point to argue over

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

I'll fill you in. Libertarians like Rand don't believe in any government interference in state business. Their argument is that there was no need for ending Jim Crow or a Civil Rights bill because the market would correct itself eventually. IE "sooner or later businesses who discriminated against blacks would suffer and be forced to change their own policies..

Or Black people would have had to their own businesses to cater to their own people alot like discriminated immigrants have done with places like chinatown
I think they are better off in china town than in any inner city hood but thats just me

The civil rights act itself is an unfair criticism of libertarianism because it was made to correct the damage done by Jim crow laws...libertarians opposed jim crow as well because Jim crow laws FORCED segregation on people.

The only reason Jim crow laws were instituted by the DEMOCRATS (suprised huh?) was because after Abolition Black people had started to move up economically since they had skill in trades and agriculture which white businesses and employers wanted ..and the right to vote

poor whites felt threatened by the prospect of a voting Black middle class emerging..so they voted in their favorite racist democrat KKK members who instituted laws to keep Black people away from voting,good education and jobs.

The point is you cant take a problem the government created then fixed (somewhat) then use it as a criticism of libertarian ideology...it only proves that the govt fukks up then takes credit for fixing its fukk up.

It's the same argument some people use when saying the Civil War should never have been fought. "Eventually the south would have realized slavery was having a negative impact on their image and they would have abandoned it brehs"

Its a little more nuanced than that...I dont buy the Abe Lincoln humanist and abolitionist theory ..the interesting thing is that the much of the world that had slavery in Europe S America and the west indies ended slavery without fighting civil wars....some even before america..it was an immoral and unworkable system.
Slavery certainly wasn't gonna last one way or another....i think Abe lincoln like any masterful politician realized that and used it.

 

[Yapdatfool]

The persistent idea that a war was necessary to end slavery despite the fact it was ended everywhere* else without one is insane.


I for one believe the war was over slavery ostensibly... but its not really sticky enough a point to argue over

Everywhere else huh?

Haitian Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe not a war, but def not peaceful...

 

[Yapdatfool]

Or Black people would have had to their own businesses to cater to their own people alot like discriminated immigrants have done with places like chinatown
I think they are better off in china town than in any inner city hood but thats just me

The civil rights act itself is an unfair criticism of libertarianism because it was made to correct the damage done by Jim crow laws...libertarians opposed jim crow as well because Jim crow laws FORCED segregation on people.

The only reason Jim crow laws were instituted by the DEMOCRATS (suprised huh?) was because after Abolition Black people had started to move up economically since they had skill in trades and agriculture and white businesses and employers wanted and the right to vote

poor whites felt threatened by the prospect of a voting Black middle class emerging..so they voted in their favorite racist democrat KKK members who instituted laws to keep Black people away from voting,good education and jobs.

The point is you cant take a problem the government created then fixed (somewhat) then use it as a criticism of libertarian ideology...it only proves that the govt fukks up then takes credit for fixing its fukk up.

I think everyone knows dems were the 'republicans' of that time and the repubs were the dems.

That said, libertarians wouldn't minded any of the private entities discriminating against blacks, just the gov't doing it. But since gov't is nothing more than a puppet of those same private entities, how it that any different?

 

[CACtain Planet]

I think everyone knows dems were the 'republicans' of that time and the repubs were the dems.

Only idiots look at it that way

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

I think everyone knows dems were the 'republicans' of that time and the repubs were the dems.

Yes and no....only some people switched but both parties changed strategies but you could tell that the democrats hadnt lost that racism...it just became more subtle and paternalistic

That said, libertarians wouldn't minded any of the private entities discriminating against blacks, just the gov't doing it. But since gov't is nothing more than a puppet of those same private entities, how it that any different?

Because stupid and immoral ideas dont last very long unless they are backed up by legislation and paid for by taxpayers...if we both had convenience stores and you put up a sign saying "no negros"..and mine says "everybody welcome" you are immediately at a disadvantage
You will make less money,Angry activists can legally protest outside and slowly drive you out of business and soon you will be in bankrupcy and ill be buying your store at the auction.
The only way you can survive is if there is a almost totally white customer base , they must support your idiocy AND the Govt doesnt protect you from the public backlash....

There is already a de facto segregation at certain places like country clubs and in a few parts of the world businesses are segregated along tribal and ethnic lines but its not as rigid or as brutal because it isnt enforced by the govt and paid for by taxpayers so as soon as enough people have a problem with it its quickly dismantled,