Black people need to stop beating each other up over this election

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I have seen enough of this on social media and here. Yes, Black turnout for Kamala could have been better in swing states and the 'higher' and the Black vote for Trump in many states is actually him getting less Black votes than 2020 but against lower turnout.

But tearing each other apart on who voted and trashing people who gave legitimate criticism of the Democratic Party and Kamala is missing the big point. America has been sliding into a dark place for a long time. Black people will all be affected regardless so acting like you have some virtue shield and position because you voted for Harris (and I did) is being solipsistic. She lost and we all will have to deal with it, united or divided.

The GOP started the slide into crazy land not in 2016 but in 1994 after the last sane GOP admin of George Bush Sr. in 1988-1992. Black progress, including affirmative action, has been challenged and retrenched since the 1970s. For all the gnashing of teeth about the recent court decisions, those of us old enough to remember the Ward Connerly era and the stage challenges are surprised affirmative action survived this long (really). What happened is GOP appointed judges followed the law and weren't radical enough until now.

Trump should have lost but double digits to Krusty the Klown much less Kamala and we can't ignore the MAGA folks in Congress and especially state and local races that have rapidly grown. Throwing a tantrum that Black folks can't maintain the enthusiasm and turnout of 2008 forever is acting like we have the power to hold back the tides of where this nation is turning is naive. We are 14% of the population and with non-replacement level fertility. The pressure of MAGA leaning Hispanics and Asians will just get greater. Let me not even start about the dumb gender warring about how some gender should be collectively rewarded or punished for their voting record despite both groups have hundreds of thousands that voted for Trump.

For this to not have occurred, one of three things would need to have happened:

1) The GOP would have to pivot to the center and sanity and bush its crazies--it didn't
2) The public would have had to let the GOP know open racism and embrace of extremism were deal breakers--lots of 'moderates' have shown they don't see it that way
3) The Democratic Party would have had to have been more focused and competent in governing and campaigning--stop acting like Kamala and the DNC ran some perfect race; granted that shouldn't have mattered given the stakes but claiming all is good and people were just prejudiced gets us nowhere in 2028.

None of these happened. Yeah, there are cultural issues like trans stuff which I don't agree with but there are ALWAYS cultural panics with the modern GOP. CRT just ran out of steam before this election.

The fact this election would have still been close even if Kamala won tells you there is a deeper problem here than Black people not going to vote enough. That problem was going to come to a head sooner or later and it seems now is the time.

Black folks need to discuss ways to make ourselves more immune to electoral fukkery, not lament our inability to sway every election in our interest. That's the only sustainable way going forward. The nice and normal America is going to be gone for a very long time.
 

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Social media is a wasteland.

Whatever Monday morning QB ing "wars" about the elections are an extension of the diaspora and gender "wars". Meaning that people upset with our relative powerlessness and the way non Blacks violate us around the world.....take that anxiety/anger out on other Black people.

Always has to be another Black person's fault.

That's easier than evolving politically, and trying to figure out the best way to navigate the new legal and social realities, I guess.
 

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We have a huge problem with social media creating stupid narratives that tell black peoples that non-ADOS blacks are the enemy or we all need to divest from politics or some other dumbass conspiracies that don’t serve us. Everything that takes hold drives people in the exact opposite direction we need to be moving. And this is all by design.

We are at a crisis point and shyt needs to get turned around quickly. I’m staying in stress mode fukk going fishing and ”getting my mind off of things” because “things” aren’t taking their minds off of us.
 

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But tearing each other apart on who voted and trashing people who gave legitimate criticism of the Democratic Party and Kamala is missing the big point. America has been sliding into a dark place for a long time. Black people will all be affected regardless so acting like you have some virtue shield and position because you voted for Harris (and I did) is being solipsistic. She lost and we all will have to deal with it, united or divided.

Black folks need to discuss ways to make ourselves more immune to electoral fukkery, not lament our inability to sway every election in our interest. That's the only sustainable way going forward.

Tall task. The consultant class will lean more into the social media space and podcasts. That's one of the takeaways from this loss by some Democrats, "use more influencers"."we need our own Rogan". So we live permanently in the online space now.

We don't have any significant independent black movements so that's why many don't see a path for black people outside of electoral politics.
 

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trump won because there are fresh new 18 year old voters every election. The latest batch thought trump was funny and macho.

Juxtapose that with Kamala who never seemed confident whenever she spoke. Had no charisma.

Add to that Biden’s selfishness and unwillingness to realize how bad that first debate was.

The last weeek before the election displayed who wanted this the most.

In Kamala’s defense though,the news media gave trump more coverage. Mainly because they got more viewers that way. And they got viewers that way because trump was entertainment.

Add to that Elon musk using his platforms to deliberately shut out Kamala and instead promote trump.

Also, trump had some of his family members everywhere talking up negative sh1t about him, taking up even more media time.

at the end of the day, the Dems had a chance to win this but couldn’t escape the morass they dug themselves into by picking Kamala as the vp. Biden was so old they should have envisioned the possibility of him dying and them being stuck with a uncharismatic vp.
 

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U have black folks not having thanksgiving dinner with each other over that debate…



Like :mjtf: .

Whatever happened to folks respecting each others opinions ??


Trump won sadly. Black folks were cool when he was in office.


We weren’t the ones getting deported.
 

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I have seen enough of this on social media and here. Yes, Black turnout for Kamala could have been better in swing states and the 'higher' and the Black vote for Trump in many states is actually him getting less Black votes than 2020 but against lower turnout.
This is all that matters. There can't be this discussion about "the community" or desiring progress when a swath of us don't understand the real-time assignment.

If we had proper turnout and still lost that's a different story.
 

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Cause you got racist MAGA posters that cannot stop ranting about the election, and have this petty mentality of smearing it like the sore losers they really are. Even in sports, are are unwritten rules not to berate and belittle your opponents after you got the W against them.

Now you got racist CAC posters seeking to dominate and run anyone away from this forum and end freedom of speech altogether.
 

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Better than beating each other up over if we should go 50/50,whos a high valued man,are single mothers worthy of human decency,how many bodies are too many. Which has been the most common discourse thanks to these podcast and viral skits. I welcome people beating each other over the head behind Kamala. Lets see if we can segway into something more positive,or if its back to status quo foolishness:respect:
 

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This is all that matters. There can't be this discussion about "the community" or desiring progress when a swath of us don't understand the real-time assignment.

If we had proper turnout and still lost that's a different story.

:mjlol: YOU POSTED THIS LIKE EVERY BLACK
WAS OBLIGATED TO VOTE FOR
KAMALA fukkING HARRIS

THIS TYPE OF THINKING
IS WHY THEY LOST AND WHY
THEY FELT THEY COULD RUN HER
IN THE FIRST PLACE

NO OTHER "COMMUNITY" IN THIS COUNTRY
IS HELD TO AN ASSIGNMENT
:devil:
:evil:
 

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U have black folks not having thanksgiving dinner with each other over that debate…



Like :mjtf: .

Whatever happened to folks respecting each others opinions ??


Trump won sadly. Black folks were cool when he was in office.


We weren’t the ones getting deported.
Like to wear nothing but white? I respect your opinion.
Anchovies and pineapple on the same pizza? I respect your opinion.
Biking during the winter rather than train? I respect your opinion.
Selecting an open white supremacist who is installing white supremacists who also have a very explicit agenda to disenfranchise black people?

MOTHAfukk yo opinion (not you, unless you voted for Trump). Its not just about who is getting deported or having nasty things said to them. Despite what some militant folks like to say, there has been some progress on race relations AND in the wake of George Floyd, the USA had a moment to reckon with it's racism. In 4 short years all of that has been undone. When people have bad opinions that actually effect people, its beyond a difference of opinion.

You sitting at home with your uncle and he gloats about Trump winning, it might fall in line with a buncha stupid, selfish bullshyt he did over the years.
ORRRRR You normally see him as nice but wonder wtf made him ignore all the signs? This is bigger than "What is acceptable taxation." Folks are having to look at rights they grew *up* with being taken from them *now* by Christian nationalists who want to roll back the clock a literal century.
 

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Both parties were created when our ancestors were slaves. Both parties either supported or turned a blind eye to jim crow.

At the end of the day both parties are controlled by white people. And if the black vote was that important to the Democrat Party, then we should have benefited a lot by now. But it's not. White women and Latinos swayed the election in trumps favor despite getting 80% of the black vote.

Which means white women have more power than black men and women. SO I say, fukk both parties.
 
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