Texas2step
H-Town it's NOT our year
why do people have a problem with what the OP said? Yes he used the word racist but that is not what he is describing
Black People Need to be more Racist.
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George Gooney
AA GANG AA GANG AA GANG
Because this board is ran by outsiders who want to suppress my message of black empowerment breh the signs are in this thread...
iPod Raheem 2.0
D, mother****er, D.
I'ma try to give a mostly serious initial response to your OP because it seems like you intended this to be a semi-serious thread, and I thought it might be worth my writing, considering as you say that a similar post was well received on that other site.
First, a few questions. Am I correct in stating that your ultimate proposition is that hip-hop is a representation of black culture and as such is an/the embodiment of black nationalism?
If so, is this what you think it is and what it was intended to be OR is this your opinion of what it should be?
If it is the former, what evidence are you relying on that hip-hop was always meant to be "for us, by us"? In what ways do you feel that hip-hop empowers black people? Why is the exclusivity of hip-hop necessary to achieve empowerment for black people?
If it's the latter, a few more questions responding directly to some of the comments in your OP:
Why would you encourage us to be more racist? I'm sure you understand that racism is an artifact of capitalism. Blacks were enslaved and made to be subservient to whites so as to labor and work for the economic benefit of a small group of whites. This small group of whites invented racism so as to justify the economic exploitation of blacks. So whites being more racist was within their strategy to make money and maintain their position as the dominant race in our society. What would our goal be in being "more racist?" Why would this be good, particularly when you know that racism has so many ill effects?
First off, what makes you think everyone hates us? Seriously, everyone?? Certainly some/many/most, but not all. You mean to tell me you do not know one non-black person who loves black people and black culture? Why should they not be allowed to participate in hip-hop? Maybe I'm naive, but how do non-black people listening to rap, attempting to rap, or supporting rap (buying records, going to concerts, etc) threaten the culture? Does the occurrence of any of these affect how you feel about yourself as a black person? If so, how? How about black people as a collective? Also, since you reference hip-hop as a whole, do you implicate all elements of the culture---break dancing, graffiti, dj-ing, beatboxing, how we dress, how we talk, etc? In what ways is that negatively impacted by other races being apart of the culture?
Secondly, how do we go about "keeping our mediums closed to the outsiders?" What are these "mediums?" Why is it a valuable goal to keep them protected? How is it even feasible to reach this goal?
I guess my ultimate question is what makes hip-hop some form of subculture or counterculture that should be exclusive of all other races?
I'm asking a bunch of questions because I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. I'd rather not make assumptions since this forum gives me the opportunity to ask you directly to clarify some things that are missing/confusing in my attempt to understand you.
Hopefully you won't dismiss my response or attempt to discredit me. I realize you could just be
ing so I won't waste too much of my time going back in forth should you respond on some ignorant shyt.
First, a few questions. Am I correct in stating that your ultimate proposition is that hip-hop is a representation of black culture and as such is an/the embodiment of black nationalism?
If so, is this what you think it is and what it was intended to be OR is this your opinion of what it should be?
If it is the former, what evidence are you relying on that hip-hop was always meant to be "for us, by us"? In what ways do you feel that hip-hop empowers black people? Why is the exclusivity of hip-hop necessary to achieve empowerment for black people?
If it's the latter, a few more questions responding directly to some of the comments in your OP:
Why would you encourage us to be more racist? I'm sure you understand that racism is an artifact of capitalism. Blacks were enslaved and made to be subservient to whites so as to labor and work for the economic benefit of a small group of whites. This small group of whites invented racism so as to justify the economic exploitation of blacks. So whites being more racist was within their strategy to make money and maintain their position as the dominant race in our society. What would our goal be in being "more racist?" Why would this be good, particularly when you know that racism has so many ill effects?
Everybody hates us but we're the first ones opening up our culture to outsiders letting asians Rap, Talk black etc. It's gotten so bad that nikkas wanna yell out dumb shyt like "Hip Hop is universal breh". fukk YOU DIE SLOW we need to keep our mediums closed to the outsiders. I feel this way about Hispanics also, nikkas quick to be on some "what up my nikka" shyt but they parents and grandparents dispise us. fukk outta here
First off, what makes you think everyone hates us? Seriously, everyone?? Certainly some/many/most, but not all. You mean to tell me you do not know one non-black person who loves black people and black culture? Why should they not be allowed to participate in hip-hop? Maybe I'm naive, but how do non-black people listening to rap, attempting to rap, or supporting rap (buying records, going to concerts, etc) threaten the culture? Does the occurrence of any of these affect how you feel about yourself as a black person? If so, how? How about black people as a collective? Also, since you reference hip-hop as a whole, do you implicate all elements of the culture---break dancing, graffiti, dj-ing, beatboxing, how we dress, how we talk, etc? In what ways is that negatively impacted by other races being apart of the culture?
Secondly, how do we go about "keeping our mediums closed to the outsiders?" What are these "mediums?" Why is it a valuable goal to keep them protected? How is it even feasible to reach this goal?
I guess my ultimate question is what makes hip-hop some form of subculture or counterculture that should be exclusive of all other races?
I'm asking a bunch of questions because I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. I'd rather not make assumptions since this forum gives me the opportunity to ask you directly to clarify some things that are missing/confusing in my attempt to understand you.
Hopefully you won't dismiss my response or attempt to discredit me. I realize you could just be
ing so I won't waste too much of my time going back in forth should you respond on some ignorant shyt.
George Gooney
AA GANG AA GANG AA GANG
*Adds to Cac list*
Keep adding me homie, add me to the c00n list too lol. Cause I ain't gonna be walking around mean mugging white people lol. Won't teach my kids to do that dumb shyt either.
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JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
how would this article read if the nation throwing the people out was Africa and the people being evicted were white?
Israel begins deporting migrants back to African countries - CNN.com
Israel begins deporting migrants back to African countries - CNN.com
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SamsoniteMan
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are you serious??? One is clearly a term of endearment derived from the pain and struggle caused by it's predecessor. You clearly are a Cac which means im wasting time even talking to you... Back to your cave im done with you.
I'm deathly serious.
And I'm 100 percent black, brother.
There is no official dictionary definition of the word "nikka." It's a slang term derived from mispronouncing the word "******."
It's "clearly a term of endearment derived from the pain and struggle caused by its predecessor(?)." (That sentence doesn't make sense by the way, based off of the incorrect usage of words) I'm not ok with "owning" a word that was and is still used to dehumanize my ancestors and fellow brothers and sisters.
You're somewhat on the right track with "becoming more racist" but you definitely need to drop that word and your confusion of words muddy your motive, friend.
George Gooney
AA GANG AA GANG AA GANG
Then hurry up and Die
Scustin Bieburr
Baby baybee baybee UUUGH
I'ma try to give a mostly serious initial response to your OP because it seems like you intended this to be a semi-serious thread, and I thought it might be worth my writing, considering as you say that a similar post was well received on that other site.
First, a few questions. Am I correct in stating that your ultimate proposition is that hip-hop is a representation of black culture and as such is an/the embodiment of black nationalism?
If so, is this what you think it is and what it was intended to be OR is this your opinion of what it should be?
If it is the former, what evidence are you relying on that hip-hop was always meant to be "for us, by us"? In what ways do you feel that hip-hop empowers black people? Why is the exclusivity of hip-hop necessary to achieve empowerment for black people?
If it's the latter, a few more questions responding directly to some of the comments in your OP:
Why would you encourage us to be more racist? I'm sure you understand that racism is an artifact of capitalism. Blacks were enslaved and made to be subservient to whites so as to labor and work for the economic benefit of a small group of whites. This small group of whites invented racism so as to justify the economic exploitation of blacks. So whites being more racist was within their strategy to make money and maintain their position as the dominant race in our society. What would our goal be in being "more racist?" Why would this be good, particularly when you know that racism has so many ill effects?
First off, what makes you think everyone hates us? Seriously, everyone?? Certainly some/many/most, but not all. You mean to tell me you do not know one non-black person who loves black people and black culture? Why should they not be allowed to participate in hip-hop? Maybe I'm naive, but how do non-black people listening to rap, attempting to rap, or supporting rap (buying records, going to concerts, etc) threaten the culture? Does the occurrence of any of these affect how you feel about yourself as a black person? If so, how? How about black people as a collective? Also, since you reference hip-hop as a whole, do you implicate all elements of the culture---break dancing, graffiti, dj-ing, beatboxing, how we dress, how we talk, etc? In what ways is that negatively impacted by other races being apart of the culture?
Secondly, how do we go about "keeping our mediums closed to the outsiders?" What are these "mediums?" Why is it a valuable goal to keep them protected? How is it even feasible to reach this goal?
I guess my ultimate question is what makes hip-hop some form of subculture or counterculture that should be exclusive of all other races?
I'm asking a bunch of questions because I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. I'd rather not make assumptions since this forum gives me the opportunity to ask you directly to clarify some things that are missing/confusing in my attempt to understand you.
Hopefully you won't dismiss my response or attempt to discredit me. I realize you could just be
The OP seems to be espousing a fear of the culture being taken over. Think of today's rock music. Blacks pretty much invented rock music but when you look at the lists of great rock and roll bands they are mostly white. Jazz to some extent is like this. What will you do when your grand children start asking you where you were when the beastie boys invented rap music?
The accomplishments of blacks in the cultural sphere will be taken away if non blacks take over that culture and you'll see racists saying "what have those blacks contributed?". Furthermore its rather disgusting to see Europeans and non blacks imitating black culture but still being very racist. The Japanese rap fan is cool with blacks when he sees them as almost fictional characters, but when he meets an actual black person who wants to date his sister then he is consumed by a deep seeded anger.
I disagree on the means of protecting the culture though. Being racist doesn't really do anything especially when you consider that racism is only effective when you have power. The white man has power in the western world and there is an entire system built to make things easier for him. Black people have no such luxury in the west. In Africa however it is a different story. Over there blacks are protective of their culture, but at the same time they aren't overtly racist in the same vein as white people. There is a system of black supremacy in countries like South Africa, but the re is no hatred of the white man. A distrust which he has earned through exploitation exists yes, but not a straight up irrational hatred that non black racists espouse.
At the end of the day racism is something that was created for economic and political purposes like you said, but its not something that will help blacks in the west. If non blacks want to rap and copy the hip hop lifestyle you won't be able to stop them because they own the record labels, they own the fashion labels, they are in charge of everything that makes the culture marketable. Its the reason why ignorant wacka flocka rap floods the airwaves instead of Mos Def style music.
White record executives want to sell the image of the dangerous, ignorant, vain, black man/woman to the masses. The only way protect the culture in America is for blacks to gain more control over the means of production. Black owned record labels, fashion companies, TV channels, etc. needs to become the only conduit through which the culture comes from, but even then, blacks still only make up a small portion of the population. If whites want to steal the culture they can still take it by force and there won't really be anything that can be done about that other than continuous innovation or just abandoning the west altogether and trying to connect with Africa where blackness is the norm and most things are black owned to begin with. But even that is problematic because in most African countries the idea of "blackness" as unifying factor does not exist because people have different ethnic and religious loyalties first. Still I guess its better than being the minority in a country that thinks of your people primarily as entertainers and nothing else.
But its kind of a moot point anyway because its not like blacks can't break into NASCAR, country music or whatever the fukk it is that whites consider to be representative of their culture. As soon as blacks start trying to excel in white culture and take it over in the same way that people fear whites are doing to black culture, they're labeled as c00ns and sellouts and its assumed that they're filled with self hate rather than being considered innovators. If a white man wanted to start rapping or breakdancing, most whites wouldn't give a shyt except for those white supremacist racists who would see him as some sort of "race traitor" and if anything he'd be applauded for his efforts. Blacks either need to just try and create a distinct "american" culture in which they are present in everything from hip hop to obscure indie metal music or try to have black ownership of the means of cultural expression. Chances are the former will happen rather than the latter as the west in general is trying to become more multicultural and the archaic and non-scientific concept of race is slowly being fazed out entirely. Race is a man made political and economic ideology and it follows that because its man made it will eventually be destroyed just like the concept of monarchy or communism.
Premeditated
MANDE KANG
nikka shut ya hoe ass up
Telling someone something doesn't mean shyt unless you can enforce it with actions. Black people been telling non-blacks not to say the n-word the way we say it for the past 10 years. How is that going? Black people weren't saying that Hip-Hop was a black thing? Did the 90's not happen?
George Gooney
AA GANG AA GANG AA GANG
fukkin c00ns snitching 
how you black and you snitching on another brother???
how you black and you snitching on another brother???
im pretty sure that you dont mean "racist" in the literal sense. i understand the concept of creating a provocative thread title in order to draw people into the thread, but its alot of slew-footed posters here. you really gotta watch what you say and spell everything out for alot of these people.
and yea, i agree. ive been saying this on & offline for about a decade now.
and as it relates to these boards, its to the point where i cant find a hip-hop forum with respectable traffic that doesnt ostracize the black posters. im not saying that we're purposely ostracized, but its like when i say state a fact or opinion thats common knowledge, theres a bunch of white posters & c00ns that rush in and try to make me look crazy. f**k that.
and yea, i agree. ive been saying this on & offline for about a decade now.
and as it relates to these boards, its to the point where i cant find a hip-hop forum with respectable traffic that doesnt ostracize the black posters. im not saying that we're purposely ostracized, but its like when i say state a fact or opinion thats common knowledge, theres a bunch of white posters & c00ns that rush in and try to make me look crazy. f**k that.