Black People Need to be more Racist.

[Premeditated]

all in all, OP has a valid point. I mean look what happened to house music. Most people don't even realize it was blacks who started house music in South Side Chicago. Imagine if that happens to hip hop 30 years from now.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

The OP seems to be espousing a fear of the culture being taken over. Think of today's rock music. Blacks pretty much invented rock music but when you look at the lists of great rock and roll bands they are mostly white. Jazz to some extent is like this. What will you do when your grand children start asking you where you were when the beastie boys invented rap music?

The accomplishments of blacks in the cultural sphere will be taken away if non blacks take over that culture and you'll see racists saying "what have those blacks contributed?". Furthermore its rather disgusting to see Europeans and non blacks imitating black culture but still being very racist. The Japanese rap fan is cool with blacks when he sees them as almost fictional characters, but when he meets an actual black person who wants to date his sister then he is consumed by a deep seeded anger.

I disagree on the means of protecting the culture though. Being racist doesn't really do anything especially when you consider that racism is only effective when you have power. The white man has power in the western world and there is an entire system built to make things easier for him. Black people have no such luxury in the west. In Africa however it is a different story. Over there blacks are protective of their culture, but at the same time they aren't overtly racist in the same vein as white people. There is a system of black supremacy in countries like South Africa, but the re is no hatred of the white man. A distrust which he has earned through exploitation exists yes, but not a straight up irrational hatred that non black racists espouse.

At the end of the day racism is something that was created for economic and political purposes like you said, but its not something that will help blacks in the west. If non blacks want to rap and copy the hip hop lifestyle you won't be able to stop them because they own the record labels, they own the fashion labels, they are in charge of everything that makes the culture marketable. Its the reason why ignorant wacka flocka rap floods the airwaves instead of Mos Def style music.

White record executives want to sell the image of the dangerous, ignorant, vain, black man/woman to the masses. The only way protect the culture in America is for blacks to gain more control over the means of production. Black owned record labels, fashion companies, TV channels, etc. needs to become the only conduit through which the culture comes from, but even then, blacks still only make up a small portion of the population. If whites want to steal the culture they can still take it by force and there won't really be anything that can be done about that other than continuous innovation or just abandoning the west altogether and trying to connect with Africa where blackness is the norm and most things are black owned to begin with. But even that is problematic because in most African countries the idea of "blackness" as unifying factor does not exist because people have different ethnic and religious loyalties first. Still I guess its better than being the minority in a country that thinks of your people primarily as entertainers and nothing else.

But its kind of a moot point anyway because its not like blacks can't break into NASCAR, country music or whatever the fukk it is that whites consider to be representative of their culture. As soon as blacks start trying to excel in white culture and take it over in the same way that people fear whites are doing to black culture, they're labeled as c00ns and sellouts and its assumed that they're filled with self hate rather than being considered innovators. If a white man wanted to start rapping or breakdancing, most whites wouldn't give a shyt except for those white supremacist racists who would see him as some sort of "race traitor" and if anything he'd be applauded for his efforts. Blacks either need to just try and create a distinct "american" culture in which they are present in everything from hip hop to obscure indie metal music or try to have black ownership of the means of cultural expression. Chances are the former will happen rather than the latter as the west in general is trying to become more multicultural and the archaic and non-scientific concept of race is slowly being fazed out entirely. Race is a man made political and economic ideology and it follows that because its man made it will eventually be destroyed just like the concept of monarchy or communism.

OK, so you seem to be saying or suggesting the following:

• that there is a danger of hip-hop being taken over by whites
• that this takeover might include the undermining and deleting of contributions of blacks to the culture
• that this takeover generally would negatively impact blacks
• that this takeover has already happened to a large extent
• to the extent we can, blacks need to take hip-hop back
• to the extent we can, blacks need to protect hip-hop culture
• that blacks are faced with a dilemma of either "taking ownership of the means of cultural expression" (whatever that means) or infiltrating every level of their culture, in other words dominant, mainstream, white American culture (whatever that is)

That sound right? You might be right on these points. Only one I don't know if I get at all is the last point. Nevertheless, while some of what you are saying eludes me, I think I get the gist of what you're saying.

Rap has been around for decades now, though. If some takeover were imminent, why has it not happened already? If it's happening right now, you'd have to make it clearer for me. This danger of white rappers flooding the scene and ousting black rappers seems like pure fallacy. The possibility of hip-hop's history being rewritten so that blacks have a lesser role also seems farfetched. Some of the apprehension you are expressing regarding non-blacks interacting with the culture seems to be based on your own assumptions and insecurities.

I'll say this. I view hip-hop as an artform, a cultural entity, and a way of expression that originates from the black community and has roots that will always be tied to the black community. Hip-hop has provided a platform for black inner city youth to express who they are, and the music has been a way for us to have fun, to say something, and to be creative, artistic, and provocative (and a way to make money--more on that below). Simply put, hip-hop's apart of our identity.

And I'm certainly pleased that there are some of us who covet that identity/culture and want to protect it.

With that said, I'm just not understanding why you, the TS, or anybody thinks exclusivity is necessary to maintain hip-hop (unless you view it strictly as an embodiment of black nationalism which I don't know if it is or ever was meant to be). Maybe I'm a little naive and don't fully understand the dangers you see and fear. Or maybe I just embrace hip-hop differently than you do.

I don't think white folks or other non-blacks participating and contributing in the culture is always detrimental. For example, Rick Rubin helped found Def Jam, which has been responsible for giving blacks an outlet to share hip-hop and rap music on a larger scale. Additionally, Rick Rubin has produced some classic shyt and helped popularize the music. Beastie Boys were a great early group. Eminem is a dope rapper (although I concede that his position in rap can be greatly overstated because he's white). El-P just released a monster collabo album with Killer Mike. They're all white. And you'd have a tough time convincing me that they have not positively contributed to the music/culture.

Now to the money part. This is where I might agree with you. The commercialization of rap has impacted hip-hop culture in ways that I wouldn't always say are good. I think once rap music became profitable the potential for it to be exploited increased one hundred fold. People who had no interest in rap and what it meant to us suddenly were looking for a way to make a buck off it. And some have certainly been successful in exploiting it and have gotten rich off it. We can probably write a book on how rap's commercialization has damaged hip-hop. That for sure needs to be guarded against. I don't want my culture marketed to me and the essence of it changed behind the banner of the almighty dollar. Is that what this thread is ultimately about? Or is it about things related to what I raised in my first response? A combo of both? Something else entirely?

 

[Wacky D]

^the takeover of hip-hop is definitely happening right now. its not going to happen overnight. but its definitely been in progress the past 10 years. when people ignored benzino, it was basically a green light for f*ckery.

fast forward to 2012, and you have BET crowning eminem the greatest rapper of the decade because AND I QUOTE: "hes the voice of white middle america". and very few rappers are willing to speak up about this nonsense. why? because they dont want to ruin their careers. white folks definitely have a stranglehold on this chit.

i caught some of that hip-hop squares show early this morning and it had absolutely nothing to do with hip-hop. half of the celebrities were white folks that i never heard of, the host of the show was some white bul, none of the questions pertained to hip-hop, etc. and this is just a random example. its so much wrong.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

^the takeover of hip-hop is definitely happening right now. its not going to happen overnight. but its definitely been in progress the past 10 years. when people ignored benzino, it was basically a green light for f*ckery.

fast forward to 2012, and you have BET crowning eminem the greatest rapper of the decade because AND I QUOTE: "hes the voice of white middle america". and very few rappers are willing to speak up about this nonsense. why? because they dont want to ruin their careers. white folks definitely have a stranglehold on this chit.

i caught some of that hip-hop squares show early this morning and it had absolutely nothing to do with hip-hop. half of the celebrities were white folks that i never heard of, the host of the show was some white bul, none of the questions pertained to hip-hop, etc. and this is just a random example. its so much wrong.

I can't disagree with this (although I must admit that I ignored that Benzino/Em beef). Em as a rapper is overrated. He's still dope to me, but people be gassing him. And a lot of that has to do with him being white.

I hope you are wrong regarding your prediction of hip-hop's demise. I'd like to be able to recognize the shyt 5, 10, 25 years from now. I want my kids to be able to enjoy this shyt and be apart of the culture. I try to do my part now by supporting the artists I like.

 

[The Unknown Hype]

somebody ban ugksam yet?

 

[Ooh Marty]

im pretty sure hip hop is two words. should i really have to be explaining that to a black guy?

of course this ugly hillbilly lookin is front line and center in this thread.

Go and eat a mayo sandwich and let a black bul cuck-hold ur cac girlfriend

 

[ugksam]

somebody ban ugksam yet?

not yet

 

[The Unknown Hype]

not yet

idk if you were trolling or are legitmately racist but dont feed the nonsense. op had good intentions but at the same time im not into fighting hate with hate

 

[Wacky D]

look at this mtv top 10 list:
#1: Rick Ross
#2: Drake
#3: Kanye West
#4: Nicki Minaj
#5: Lil Wayne
#6: Jay-z
#7: Meek Mill
#8: Big Sean
#9: Wiz Khalifa
#10: Wale


now i got a bunch of wierdos in the booth telling me that outkast is some kind of goat rap group. this chit is all kinds of f**ked up.

 

[Banned Account12]

Power 2 the people

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[Houston911]

I was having a conversation with a black person a week or two ago and she said that black folks were the most racist people in america.

i reminded her that black people consistently support non black owned businesses who set up shop in black neighborhoods and dont hire any black workers. i asked her what other group of people had the type of tolerance to do that and she couldn't give me any examples.

 

[JasonSJackson]

u know what.........i was hesitant to cosign at first cause i aint about that mass hate life but after reading this definition of racism......

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

i agree with you 100%

 

[semtex]

All my socks are black. fukk cacs!!

 

[George Gooney]

I was having a conversation with a black person a week or two ago and she said that black folks were the most racist people in america.

i reminded her that black people consistently support non black owned businesses who set up shop in black neighborhoods and dont hire any black workers. i asked her what other group of people had the type of tolerance to do that and she couldn't give me any examples.

when she said that you should've known she was a c00n breh.

 

[semtex]

Zoe Saldana is the ultimate c00n. cacs>Dominicans