Black Muslims: This don't plauge yo mind?

[zerozero]

Not a great argument, breh. You're right, Christians were horrible, too, but we shouldn't try and justify maltreatment by saying others did it, too.

The problem with religion is that it rarely helps truly eradicate racism unless it is taken up and transformed fundamentally by a group of people, as with Black Theology, Black Islam, etc. But in its original form, it rarely does, and is often predisposed towards the group of people with which it originates. On the occasion that it does eradicate some prejudice, it's usually contingent on the would-be victims of prejudice joining the religion before getting treated better.

what are we talking about here? what part of the muslim religion itself is racist? (i guess the slavery part is a problem in effect cause the way it works out is that mostly africans get enslaved..) but there's no actual theological distinctions

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

I was told by a black muslim while in morocco he experienced blatant racism. His wife was from there.

 

[newarkhiphop]

I was told by a black muslim while in morocco he experienced blatant racism. His wife was from there.

Man THANK GOD we live in America where none of that happens.

 

[zerozero]

Man THANK GOD we live in America where none of that happens.

has anyone in this thread supporting the OP made a logical statement yet? wtf is going on in here?

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

Man THANK GOD we live in America where none of that happens.

Yeh when I asked him about Islam and their treatment of blacks he retreated to the same deflecting techniques you are doing right now. I just left it alone after that.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I brought up blacks and Christianity because the OP threw out blacks and Islam as if to say that's the only religion that is bringing oppression to blacks.

Lol...no he didn't.

 

[zerozero]

Yeh when I asked him about Islam and their treatment of blacks he retreated to the same deflecting techniques you are doing right now. I just left it alone after that.

you're not actually saying anything though. If arabs are racist black people shouldn't be muslim? why?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Not a great argument, breh. You're right, Christians were horrible, too, but we shouldn't try and justify maltreatment by saying others did it, too.

The problem with religion is that it rarely helps truly eradicate racism unless it is taken up and transformed fundamentally by a group of people, as with Black Theology, Black Islam, etc. But in its original form, it rarely does, and is often predisposed towards the group of people with which it originates. On the occasion that it does eradicate some prejudice, it's usually contingent on the would-be victims of prejudice joining the religion before getting treated better.

Great post.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

you're not actually saying anything though. If arabs are racist black people shouldn't be muslim? why?

No one is saying to denounce their religion. It was simple question. How are you treated in Arab countries and why do they treat the blacks living within those countries poorly?

 

[The Real]

what are we talking about here? what part of the muslim religion itself is racist? (i guess the slavery part is a problem in effect cause the way it works out is that mostly africans get enslaved..) but there's no actual theological distinctions

There aren't explicit theological distinctions in the Quran, though the history told by the Quran itself bears out my argument to some degree. There are definitely explicitly (non-Black) Arab supremacist statements in several of the Hadiths, though.

My point isn't that religions are inherently racist, but that religions were historically tied to the ethnic groups in which they originated, and pretty much every one of those groups already had an ethnocentric attitude that manifested itself in the religion's history and limited their claims to universalism. Even Paul's supposed "universalism" was only really reserved for converts.

The effectively anti-racist forms of religion are all the result of its appropriation by victimized groups, not benevolent mandates from the dominant/originating group.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Lol...no he didn't.

Yes he did, he should have named the thread "Religious Blacks : This don't plauge yo mind " if he meant to talk about the black struggle and religion, he was very specific in his title and content

 

[zerozero]

No one is saying to denounce their religion. It was simple question. How are you treated in Arab countries and why do they treat the blacks living within those countries poorly?

I'm Indian, my people are treated super badly in Arab countries especially the labor class

that doesn't cause them religious crises ... something here doesn't make sense

 

[50CentStan]

how come you never addressed the quote in my sig/that tracking of women in sharia saudi arabia

What do you mean? Im the one who showed you how to put that in your sig when you said you wanted to. Its the truth. What do you want me to explain? Men have rights over women in Islam and Women also have rights over men in Islam

 

[newarkhiphop]

Yeh when I asked him about Islam and their treatment of blacks he retreated to the same deflecting techniques you are doing right now. I just left it alone after that.

What did did he say when asked about the treatment of black and Islam ?

That hey blacks are the treated the same in other places ? What so deflecting about that? I don't understand what you wanted him to do, denounce his religious believe ( assuming he was Muslim) and sit there complaining about racism a institution that exists everywhere....

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Yes he did, he should have named the thread "Religious Blacks : This don't plauge yo mind " if he meant to talk about the black struggle and religion, he was very specific in his title and content

You said he made a thread about Islam as if Islam is the only religion that oppresses black people. He did none of the sort. You just made that up. You falsely leaped to an illogical conclusion about his position. He pointed out that Muslims have treated black Africans poorly. He doesn't have to qualify his statement by pointing out that x, y, and z oppressed black people too in order to criticize the actions of Muslims.

This is basic, simple logic. I can't believe I have to explain this to a grown man.