Black muslims are the worst types of self hate victims.

[50CentStan]

and?


OHHH, IT WAS THE "GOOD KIND OF SLAVERY" THEN?

Where did I say that? Interesting that you are inclined to discuss the inequality of people when you are interested in "Fast Money & Foreign Objects" Arent you Jewish? but youre fascinated with Islam, may Allah guide you to the right path.

 

[Type Username Here]

true, but there was a code to that type of enslavement, as opposed to the treatment of slaves that we are used to in the Americas. Most of the slaves in the early years of Islam were basically POWs if I understood correctly.

Some were POWs, children of slaves could also be raised as slaves. I understand that Islam brought forth very liberal ideas to the concept of slavery to the region, but just the thought of someone holding someone's freedom screams of inequality. I can definitely understand for the POW or prisoner like scenario, as crimes at times merit imprisonment, but not for children.

I think the point someone decides "Hey, this child is the offspring of a slave, so I can enslave him/her" you pretty much throw away this statement:

"All men(includes women) are equal in Islam.."

I mean, secular societies are definitely guilty of this (obviously) and they deserve just as much criticism. But I think when you hold up someone as a direct representative of the almighty creator of the universe, you figured he would have more knowledge and insight into such manners.

 

[Mook]

Some were POWs, children of slaves could also be raised as slaves. I understand that Islam brought forth very liberal ideas to the concept of slavery to the region, but just the thought of someone holding someone's freedom screams of inequality. I can definitely understand for the POW or prisoner like scenario, as crimes at times merit imprisonment, but not for children.

I think the point someone decides "Hey, this child is the offspring of a slave, so I can enslave him/her" you pretty much throw away this statement:



I mean, secular societies are definitely guilty of this (obviously) and they deserve just as much criticism. But I think when you hold up someone as a direct representative of the almighty creator of the universe, you figured he would have more knowledge and insight into such manners.

In Islam. They intended for you to convert then get freedom. I think

 

[Type Username Here]

In Islam. They intended for you to convert then get freedom. I think

Nah, Muslims could also be slaves(as long as they weren't freeborn Muslims). They did believe that a Muslim slave was superior to a free Non-Muslim.

In Islamic law the topic of slavery is covered at great length. The Quran (the holy book) and the hadith (the sayings of Muhammad) see slavery as an exceptional condition that can be entered into under certain limited circumstances. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim.They also consider manumission of a slave to be one of many meritorious deeds available for the expiation of sins.According to Sharia, slaves are considered human beings and possessed some rights on the basis of their humanity. In addition, a Muslim slave is equal to a Muslim freeman in religious issues and superior to the free non-Muslim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

It kind of mirrors the old Roman/Greek concept of slavery (in some ways).

 

[Blackking]

Would of preferred you actually constructively replied to my post, instead of name calling. Would have liked to have heard your view on the Caliphate, if you had any.


The red text concludes this... Moorish rule of Iberia? That was the Islamic Caliphate and by no means whatsoever an independent Black Afrikan movement.

There were black armies that took over nations... according to history. Either way, look at you're thread title- it's just ignorant. The worse black people are those that divide other blacks on religious, political, and cultural lines..... That's anti unity. It's always the athiest or the people like you , Europeans who can't really identify with any black movements. Realize that......
ancient AFricans were heavy into all sorts of religions. black Muslims in America have instilled pride in many blacks through different pro black militant efforts and groups.

 

[88m3]

Where did I say that?

true, but there was a code to that type of enslavement, as opposed to the treatment of slaves that we are used to in the Americas. Most of the slaves in the early years of Islam were basically POWs if I understood correctly.

 

[Blackking]

I think we should go back to our original religion

Which is what?

and some of the african islamic groups TODAY are some of the only people on Earth that practice the indigenous religions. Apparently, indigenous religions are rarely practiced outside of Islam areas... because out of all four types of conquers that took over Africa - it was only the Muslims that allowed parts of original cultures to remain intact.

 

[88m3]

There were black armies that took over nations... according to history. Either way, look at you're thread title- it's just ignorant. The worse black people are those that divide other blacks on religious, political, and cultural lines..... That's anti unity. It's always the athiest or the people like you , Europeans who can't really identify with any black movements. Realize that......
ancient AFricans were heavy into all sorts of religions. black Muslims in America have instilled pride in many blacks through different pro black militant efforts and groups.

Does Islam divide or unite black people?

 

[50CentStan]

true, but there was a code to that type of enslavement, as opposed to the treatment of slaves that we are used to in the Americas. Most of the slaves in the early years of Islam were basically POWs if I understood correctly.

OHHH, IT WAS THE "GOOD KIND OF SLAVERY" THEN?



you're such a disingenuous pos

Thanks for proving I never said it was a good kind of slavery.

 

[Blackking]

Does Islam divide or unite black people?

It does neither... only the ignorant believe otherwise. It's just a personal belief system.

The dividers are people like @88m3 and @HoopDreams94 ....

For example, I'm not gonna hate on Athiest, Christians, Republican, liberal, etc black people. Why would I do that when we could all work together for common causes?

 

[88m3]

Thanks for proving I never said it was a good kind of slavery.

Um you're trying to white wash slavery in Islam.

Nice try

 

[88m3]

It does neither... only the ignorant believe otherwise. It's just a personal belief system.

The dividers are people like @88m3 and @HoopDreams94 ....

For example, I'm not gonna hate on Athiest, Christians, Republican, liberal, etc black people. Why would I do that when we could all work together for common causes?

It does neither...




look at the world around you. look at where Islam is practiced and what takes places there.

fukk outta here with that bullshyt. I only deal in reality.

I'm not one for division either. Islam/religion has to go.

 

[Blackking]

It does neither...




look at the world around you. look at where Islam is practiced and what takes places there.

fukk outta here with that bullshyt. I only deal in reality.

I'm not one for division either. Islam/religion has to go.

You are clearly for division. People work together all the time with different belief systems.

Honestly - mentally and socially you are detracted from any situation were you would be working to improve any condition of black people - so I'll give you a pass...

but you have people in here calling Malcolm X a c00n- when they haven't done shyt but claim atheism and post BS online all day.

 

[50CentStan]

Um you're trying to white wash slavery in Islam.

Nice try

not my fault you are obtuse and cant understand my point, friend

 

[88m3]

You are clearly for division. People work together all the time with different belief systems.

Honestly - mentally and socially you are detracted from any situation were you would be working to improve any condition of black people - so I'll give you a pass...

but you have people in here calling Malcolm X a c00n- when they haven't done shyt but claim atheism and post BS online all day.

Yeah people work together all the time with different belief systems. Most of the flashpoints currently around the world are due to the nature of Islam and it's followers. You can't ignore that man, look at Africa, look at the Middle East, look at South East Asia!

It's not my fault the followers of Islam don't get along well with others. Islam harbors regressive views which aren't inline with the rest of the developed world.

History will judge Islam.

Don't ever make some snide remark about what you think of me. I know who I am, what I stand for, and believe in. You'll never see me detracting from the struggle.

I haven't said anything about Malcolm so don't put that at my doorstep.

It's not my fault your position is weak so you guys have to attack me personally.

History will be the final judge of Islam. Not God.