Black Knights just posted RIP Holocaust 😥

[BuddahMAC]

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you be having all the back stories on the Wu and Wu affiliates


what's Holocaust's/Warcloud's story?

what part of California was he from?


i knew of him like everybody else after the Holocaust verse and his various other Wu affiliated verses and then his first two solo albums from back in the day but other than that, not much else. Even once everything went more internet based, he wasn't really out there like that so trying to learn more about his story become more and more like folklore and mystery to some degree

i stopped checking for his albums after his first two solo albums but on occasion I would listen to a new song or feature whenever he would pop up over the years, but things were never the same after his late 90's verses and the early 2000's verses on them Wu affiliated albums (The Swarm and The Sting)

Looks like you've got most of it when you looked up that interview. RZA signed this loose collective of emcees with the intention of them being a full group called "Black Knights of the North Star" but, it ended up as 2 groups, Black Knights (Holocaust, Doc Doom, Crisis & Monk) and North Star (Christbearer & Meko).

Black Knights recorded a lot for their debut but 2 things that messed it up was Loud Records folding (they were to be the second release on the 36 Records imprint after Killarmy's Fear, Love & War [Shyheim was to follow BK]) and Holocaust mental struggles between BDIS/The Swarm and 00-01 when they were getting ready to debut. You can hear how he no longer really fits within the group dynamic in the songs that came out for the album:



So he did more of his own thing w/ the independent releases and had people seem to take advantage along the way but some of them put money in his pocket too when he really didn't have other avenues to do so because of his mental state so it's hard to gauge that dynamic when you're not in it.

I do find the fact that his entire journey of his mind slipping is recorded in rhyme fascinating b/c you get his carefully crafted early stuff, these weird meandering segues and connections in the transitional period and his latter stuff is often random Discovery channel facts between braggadocios verses, but it's an astounding trip that, while fukked up for him, is illuminating to the listener just on the nature of the mind itself. I liken it to the audio version of those sketches they had artists do on various levels of LSD back when.

 

[I love Latina women]

Looks like you've got most of it when you looked up that interview. RZA signed this loose collective of emcees with the intention of them being a full group called "Black Knights of the North Star" but, it ended up as 2 groups, Black Knights (Holocaust, Doc Doom, Crisis & Monk) and North Star (Christbearer & Meko).

Black Knights recorded a lot for their debut but 2 things that messed it up was Loud Records folding (they were to be the second release on the 36 Records imprint after Killarmy's Fear, Love & War [Shyheim was to follow BK]) and Holocaust mental struggles between BDIS/The Swarm and 00-01 when they were getting ready to debut. You can hear how he no longer really fits within the group dynamic in the songs that came out for the album:



So he did more of his own thing w/ the independent releases and had people seem to take advantage along the way but some of them put money in his pocket too when he really didn't have other avenues to do so because of his mental state so it's hard to gauge that dynamic when you're not in it.

I do find the fact that his entire journey of his mind slipping is recorded in rhyme fascinating b/c you get his carefully crafted early stuff, these weird meandering segues and connections in the transitional period and his latter stuff is often random Discovery channel facts between braggadocios verses, but it's an astounding trip that, while fukked up for him, is illuminating to the listener just on the nature of the mind itself. I liken it to the audio version of those sketches they had artists do on various levels of LSD back when.

yeah and i found that interview just by googling a few years ago. that was pure luck. one thing i was happy to read in that interview was him speaking on his favorite albums. im always interested by an artist's inspirations by other artists and connecting the dots on their inspiration and how sometimes you can see it impacts their style or approach to music.

i see

yeah, i always thought it was crazy how we literally only got like 3 years of Holocaust as we knew him on Silkworm before then we got Warcloud

that Dust is truly no joke.

i remember downloading his two solo albums way back in like 2003 and literally being so confused because how much his style how changed and then when i started hearing more and more about him doing dust it all made sense why the rhymes were so abstract and out there


one thing that always stood out about Holocaust is his voice. he had one of the most unique and distinguished voices in all of hip hop

he had that West Coast accent, but then it was like he sounded like he was from overseas or somewhere.


i really do hope that if RZA has any other songs or verses that feature him from like that 98' to 01' era, he releases it.


one of my favorite moments of his is the one where he's spitting on the Wu beats

 

[BuddahMAC]

yeah and i found that interview just by googling a few years ago. that was pure luck. one thing i was happy to read in that interview was him speaking on his favorite albums. im always interested by an artist's inspirations by other artists and connecting the dots on their inspiration and how sometimes you can see it impacts their style or approach to music.

i see

yeah, i always thought it was crazy how we literally only got like 3 years of Holocaust as we knew him on Silkworm before then we got Warcloud

that Dust is truly no joke.

i remember downloading his two solo albums way back in like 2003 and literally being so confused because how much his style how changed and then when i started hearing more and more about him doing dust it all made sense why the rhymes were so abstract and out there


one thing that always stood out about Holocaust is his voice. he had one of the most unique and distinguished voices in all of hip hop

he had that West Coast accent, but then it was like he sounded like he was from overseas or somewhere.


i really do hope that if RZA has any other songs or verses that feature him from like that 98' to 01' era, he releases it.


one of my favorite moments of his is the one where he's spitting on the Wu beats

yeah, contrast that Wake Up Show w/ his later appearance w/ Shy & 2 On The Road where each verse he's in a completely different world than the other emcees:



The crew, especially 12 O'Clock, were fully supporting him at this spot though despite the left field lines. RIP to 12 too. Plus Doc Doom & Meko from BK & NS gone as well.

 

[I love Latina women]

yeah, contrast that Wake Up Show w/ his later appearance w/ Shy & 2 On The Road where each verse he's in a completely different world than the other emcees:



The crew, especially 12 O'Clock, were fully supporting him at this spot though despite the left field lines. RIP to 12 too. Plus Doc Doom & Meko from BK & NS gone as well.

i remember this

yeah, it's like night and day.

Bruh was a gifted poet with the rhymes.

yup, nothing like that support from your crew and friends

it's sad because we've lost so many emcees. RIP 12 O'Clock, Doc Doom, Meko and NS

 

[I love Latina women]

@BuddahMAC

you even started to hear the change on Bluntz, Martinez, Girls and Gunz too off the KB compilation




if i remember correctly, both NTSFSS and SBITG came out in 2002, same year as the KB compilation, i just can't remember which came out first

 

[I love Latina women]

I use to always say, can you imagine if we would've gotten a Holocaust album produced by RZA in like 98' or 99'. even 2000

he would've tore this beat to shreds



i would've loved to have heard him spit over the Stand Up beat

 

[BuddahMAC]

@BuddahMAC

you even started to hear the change on Bluntz, Martinez, Girls and Gunz too off the KB compilation




if i remember correctly, both NTSFSS and SBITG came out in 2002, same year as the KB compilation, i just can't remember which came out first

The Sting came out in March and he's billed on his solo track as "introducing War Cloud." At least songs from his solos leaked before then but pretty sure Sting was the first official intro w/ Bluntz... & Woodchuck (where he's billed separately from Black Knights btw...).

Also, the BK- Every Night Is A Black Knight album w/ his switch in style was set to drop late 2001 & that Wake Up Show appearance, which was from around the same time, is the first time anyone knew his name flipped to Warcloud (which, back then first hearing it audio only, I thought was the [in my mind] better title of War Clout).

 

[I love Latina women]

The Sting came out in March and he's billed on his solo track as "introducing War Cloud." At least songs from his solos leaked before then but pretty sure Sting was the first official intro w/ Bluntz... & Woodchuck (where he's billed separately from Black Knights btw...).

Also, the BK- Every Night Is A Black Knight album w/ his switch in style was set to drop late 2001 & that Wake Up Show appearance, which was from around the same time, is the first time anyone knew his name flipped to Warcloud (which, back then first hearing it audio only, I thought was the [in my mind] better title of War Clout).

your right, i forgot it does say that on the back of the CD track listing

damn i forgot about that Every Night is a Black Knight.

in retrospect, he was busy during that time and moving fast with projects/music

 

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