Black funeral director is fed up with the black on black Violences

[kingjones29]

 

[Moich]

Just sad.

 

[DPresidential]

He's fed up w/ black on black violence?

I can't believe this is a point of discussion that is used as a way to shame urban communities into some sort of "wake up" moment where what is supposed to happen? Peace?

Everytime I have this discussion, the first point I bring up is INTRARACIAL crime is representative of normal crime trends. People in close proximity will be victims of crime by neighbors and in these communities, neighbors overwhelmingly are of the same race.

Regarding Volume of crime in the urban community? This is a valid discussion point. But the problem is, no amount of kumbaya speech is going to magically change the community dynamic if those communities are still being affected by institutionalized racism.

If you are truly disgusted by the high rate of crime in the urban community, don't try to shame the young men and women in those communities. Shame the institutions and municipalities that have failed at their job to provide opportunity for development. Blame the school systems that allow teachers and administrations to punch in and out with the mindstate that outside of a few students, most of the children are underachievers. Blame the politicians who leech those communities for votes but never deliver on the promise of true representation. And blame the archaic law enforcement policy that perpetuates the precinct by precinct environment that believes these communities are war zones filled w/ enemy combatants that are actively trying to kill police - which translates into police officers not going into the community to protect and serve but going in the community viewing black and brown teenagers as vietcong.

Special Mention: Blame the Housing authorities of urban communities who fail to provide humane conditions for black and brown people to live in.

It is EXTREMELY easy to not value your own life or the life of the next black man if you are constantly being told you ain't shyt by the above mentioned fukk boys.

The only group that needs to pull up their sagged pants... it the rest of fukking society in that they need to fix their view on these communities into a more realistic and compassionate perspective.

 

[Moich]

He's fed up w/ black on black violence?

I can't believe this is a point of discussion that is used as a way to shame urban communities into some sort of "wake up" moment where what is supposed to happen? Peace?

Everytime I have this discussion, the first point I bring up is INTRARACIAL crime is representative of normal crime trends. People in close proximity will be victims of crime by neighbors and in these communities, neighbors overwhelmingly are of the same race.

Regarding Volume of crime in the urban community? This is a valid discussion point. But the problem is, no amount of kumbaya speech is going to magically change the community dynamic if those communities are still being affected by institutionalized racism.

If you are truly disgusted by the high rate of crime in the urban community, don't try to shame the young men and women in those communities. Shame the institutions and municipalities that have failed at their job to provide opportunity for development. Blame the school systems that allow teachers and administrations to punch in and out with the mindstate that outside of a few students, most of the children are underachievers. Blame the politicians who leech those communities for votes but never deliver on the promise of true representation. And blame the archaic law enforcement policy that perpetuates the precinct by precinct environment that believes these communities are war zones filled w/ enemy combatants that are actively trying to kill police - which translates into police officers not going into the community to protect and serve but going in the community viewing black and brown teenagers as vietcong.

Special Mention: Blame the Housing authorities of urban communities who fail to provide humane conditions for black and brown people to live in.

It is EXTREMELY easy to not value your own life or the life of the next black man if you are constantly being told you ain't shyt by the above mentioned fukk boys.

The only group that needs to pull up their sagged pants... it the rest of fukking society in that they need to fix their view on these communities into a more realistic and compassionate perspective.

Where is the personal responsibility in all of this ?

So these people are automatons who have no control over their actions or lives ?

Pandering liberal BS

 

[DPresidential]

Where is the personal responsibility in all of this ?

So these people are automatons who have no control over their actions or lives ?

Pandering liberal BS

Breh...on an individual level, yes there is responsibility.

But as a public shaming? Don't you agree that it is uncalled for?

Edit:

I think I need to clarify a bit more. Most of these young men and women are just as capable and kind hearted as any other human being. They all started as a blank slate. Do we agree on this?

We also agree that most of these young men and women aren't more prone to violence or poor decisions than any other human being, right?

I mean, we know that that eugenics bullshyt that promotes the belief that some demographics of human beings are more savage than others and genetically less intelligent is just racism and xenophobia, right?

So what are those variables that are present in one group's environment that aren't as prevalent in the other?

We have to really dig into the facts and the situation to determine what is it that consistently plagues these communities to the point that such violence or poor decisions sprout up so tragically.

Think about all the brothers you know. I am positive that you give almost any one of them a stable home, or stable environment with opportunity for growth and exploration, proper education that people in other higher tax brackets receive and an fukking hello goodmorning from the local police officer instead of a suspicious stare, that psychologically they wouldn't be so beaten down and prone to poor decisions.

Now ask yourself, who is to blame when we acknowledge how poor these institutions have been regarding their responsibility?

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Moich]

Breh...on an individual level, yes there is responsibility.

But as a public shaming? Don't you agree that it is uncalled for?

 

[DPresidential]

Yes bro.

I don't think it's productive to have public shaming of these wayward black youth when there are way more variables that contribute to this behavior than just "well, they just woke up one day and decided to get guns and shoot at each other"

 

[Moich]

Yes bro.

I don't think it's productive to have public shaming of these wayward black youth when there are way more variables that contribute to this behavior than just "well, they just woke up one day and decided to get guns and shoot at each other"

Agreed bro.

Emotional harangues against these lost youth ain't gonna solve anything at the end of the day.

All it does is give haters ammo.

 

[DPresidential]

Agreed bro.

Emotional harangues against these lost youth ain't gonna solve anything at the end of the day.

All it does is give haters ammo.

Exactly!

The thing is... When I see this point brought up, I fight the urge to get upset and call the person saying it a c00n.
Because my goal is to try to offer that other perspective that may lead some of them to possibly not view the people I identify with as Savages.

I was very fortunate to have support. My best friend and cousins, not do much and many are in prison, struggling, etc.

It breaks my heart because I remember when they were just innocent kids playing Nintendo with me.

They aren't demons.

 

[Starman]

Breh...on an individual level, yes there is responsibility.

But as a public shaming? Don't you agree that it is uncalled for?

Edit:

I think I need to clarify a bit more. Most of these young men and women are just as capable and kind hearted as any other human being. They all started as a blank slate. Do we agree on this?

We also agree that most of these young men and women aren't more prone to violence or poor decisions than any other human being, right?

I mean, we know that that eugenics bullshyt that promotes the belief that some demographics of human beings are more savage than others and genetically less intelligent is just racism and xenophobia, right?

So what are those variables that are present in one group's environment that aren't as prevalent in the other?

We have to really dig into the facts and the situation to determine what is it that consistently plagues these communities to the point that such violence or poor decisions sprout up so tragically.

Think about all the brothers you know. I am positive that you give almost any one of them a stable home, or stable environment with opportunity for growth and exploration, proper education that people in other higher tax brackets receive and an fukking hello goodmorning from the local police officer instead of a suspicious stare, that psychologically they wouldn't be so beaten down and prone to poor decisions.

Now ask yourself, who is to blame when we acknowledge how poor these institutions have been regarding their responsibility?

That's all I'm saying.

I don't expect that we'll solve the nature vs. nurture argument here but I'm with you only because we can't do anything about nature anyway. So I'm all for improved housing, education and criminal justice reform. However, shame is a powerful method of altering behavior. Look at certain Asian and African societies. The fact that this shaming was done "publicly", for all the issues that come with that, is offset by the amount of people it can reach. I have a bigger problem with the shameless.

 

[DPresidential]

I don't expect that we'll solve the nature vs. nurture argument here but I'm with you only because we can't do anything about nature anyway. So I'm all for improved housing, education and criminal justice reform. However, shame is a powerful method of altering behavior. Look at certain Asian and African societies. The fact that this shaming was done "publicly", for all the issues that come with that, is offset by the amount of people it can reach. I have a bigger problem with the shameless.

I have to do more research before I agree or disagree with your premise that shaming is an effective tool in African and asian communities but I think a key point of distinction is what does community mean for the urban community compared to those communities you mentioned.

I would argue that community, in the context of the urban community, is more of a systematic grouping of people who represent societies "forgotten" as opposed to a village or tribe mentality.

I would gamble to assume that the communities you may speak of have STRONG familial bonds that have developed over the course of decades of maybe even centuries so their influence in the respective community is very powerful. I would also guess that those communities that effectively use shame are probably not constantly chiseled on and degraded by archaic police policy that has severe ramifications on the ability to maintain strong families. They probably have their education system on such a local.and intimate level that the intentions and work ethic of the educators are probably well regulated to ensure the children are fed that they can achieve amazing things. I'm positive that those communities, as opposed to the urban community, are organically created instead of the forced grouping from a century of red lining and white flight.

You see what I'm saying? You place these debilitating pressures on a group and atrophy will perpetuate.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm tell people to not look at me like I'm special because of what I've accomplished in my career and education. I tell them that 99% of the African american men and women in Brownsville, Chicago, East New York, etc, would do just as well and probably better than me if they had my parental support, my opportunity, my schooling, etc.

 

[Starman]

I have to do more research before I agree or disagree with your premise that shaming is an effective tool in African and asian communities but I think a key point of distinction is what does community mean for the urban community compared to those communities you mentioned.

I would argue that community, in the context of the urban community, is more of a systematic grouping of people who represent societies "forgotten" as opposed to a village or tribe mentality.

I would gamble to assume that the communities you may speak of have STRONG familial bonds that have developed over the course of decades of maybe even centuries so their influence in the respective community is very powerful. I would also guess that those communities that effectively use shame are probably not constantly chiseled on and degraded by archaic police policy that has severe ramifications on the ability to maintain strong families. They probably have their education system on such a local.and intimate level that the intentions and work ethic of the educators are probably well regulated to ensure the children are fed that they can achieve amazing things. I'm positive that those communities, as opposed to the urban community, are organically created instead of the forced grouping from a century of red lining and white flight.

You see what I'm saying? You place these debilitating pressures on a group and atrophy will perpetuate.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm tell people to not look at me like I'm special because of what I've accomplished in my career and education. I tell them that 99% of the African american men and women in Brownsville, Chicago, East New York, etc, would do just as well and probably better than me if they had my parental support, my opportunity, my schooling, etc.

It may be that shame takes decades or longer to effect culture, but so what? What are we waiting for? Is there some ideal time when using shame to mold people is optimal? I think shame can work much sooner, and if not, what's the harm? Obviously not saying it's the panacea but I do think it can be apart of the solution.

 

[DPresidential]

It may be that shame takes decades or longer to effect culture, but so what? What are we waiting for? Is there some ideal time when using shame to mold people is optimal? I think shame can work much sooner, and if not, what's the harm? Obviously not saying it's the panacea but I do think it can be apart of the solution.

Shame seems to create resentment and tends to make people more concrete in what their doing as a protest to being attacked in a condescending way.

I feel like objectivity and a sound understanding of actual cause and effect will do more.

Respect.

 

[K.Dot]

So he's fed up with black people living around each other?

 

[DPresidential]

So he's fed up with black people living around each other?

This.