"Black Features Are Beautiful. Black Women Are Not" - Amandla Stenberg

[Birdie]

This just seems like Black women once again upset that they are not seen as beautiful as white and other non-Black women in a European society. That honestly is very disrespectful towards Black men because them complaining about their beauty being "undermined" it exposing that they value non-Black men opinions on their looks more than they do ours. Black men don't undermined Black women's beauty that should be all that matters. But they'd rather get perms and weaves and colored contacts to fit a beauty standard they never will and attract men who don't want them.

 

[godkiller]

Even if the black community suddenly had a powerful patriachy, I don't think that would help black women at all and it would probably worsen the situation for black women. The fact is, black men will continue to idolise non black women as a result of centuries of ingrained cac centric beauty standards that would take many decades to dismantle in the black diaspora. In fact im sure if black mens status improved, it would just mean black men would further pursue other non black women . For example most rich and influential problack black men end up marrying white or mixed race women. Cultural change is what's needed in the black diaspora.

There are black countries with black women already on the pedestal so we don't have to wonder whether black women would be on top. In black countries black are (by default). In fact, even most black American athletes marry black women. Most rich and powerful black men in black countries also marry black women whether it be in Africa, the Carribean, etc.

 

[godkiller]

so patriarchies help every other group but it would hurt the black community? this internalized fear of black male leadership is part of the reason we're spiraling out of control now.

Exactly. Strong patriarchies have helped every group on the planet, but somehow won't help blacks because some feminist thinks so. Arabs like blondes more than their own women much of the time, and even then the Arab patriarchy helps Arab women more than the alternative matriarchy bullshyt. Feminists need to be executed.

No, if there was a powerful patriachy, things would improve but we can't deny the fact that black men have been the greatest supporter of the white centric beauty standards for decades and it would take decades to dismantle this ingrained culture amongst black men. No other race upholds diluted women as the pinnacle of beauty whilst demonising those with purer roots. Even in black centric media, we see a fair representation of black men, from light skin to dark skin yet for women this isn't the case. A lot of black men need to face the fact that there are aspects of black male culture which is anti dark skin black women. I'm not saying black men are responsible for creating this culture as white supremacy is to blame, but we are responsible for continually upholding this culture into the 21st century. We should try to change this culture and represent all hues for women before we have a powerful black patriachy or else we"ll continue to use the tools of white supremacy against our own mothers and daughters.

We can certainly deny that black men are not the "greatest supporter of white centric beauty". Studies don't support this assertion. In study all groups rank white women higher than black men do, which implies that black men are in fact the "worst supporters of the white centric beauty standard". So just at base, your assertions don't have any evidence. Moving on, all black male societies heavily or exclusively feature black women. All non-whites features heavily or exclusively feature non-black women. If what you say were true and black men are indeed the "greatest supporter of white centric beauty", why is it that black-male societies heavily or exclusively feature black women whereas non-black male societies heavily or exclusively feature non-black women? Please. Arabs often hold white women above their own, but in actual Arab societies Arab women are the standard.

 

[Tropical Fantasy]

the entire premise of this thread is black beauty is undermined and unvalued, which it is.

but i'm saying black beauty will remain undervalued until black men have an intact patriarchy. everything the black woman wants is predicated on the success of black men. so goodluck with that, as you continue to promote the development and success of your gender, and your gender alone.

and this is what is really confusing about women who call themselves black feminists. they say theyre against patriarchy, but all the comforts that they want (and deserve) have been afforded to women that live within patriarchy.

many dont realize that if the black man wins, the black woman wins too. it seems like black feminists fear black male masculinity almost as much as white supremacists do.

real shyt, black feminists only show support for a black male man when he's either dead or feminine. when we're alive it's "fukk you nikkas, ya'll are worthless, misogynist, self haters" but when were dead it's like "we must end the war on black bodies #blacklivesmatter"

 

[godkiller]

and this is what is really confusing about women who call themselves black feminists. they say theyre against patriarchy, but all the comforts that they want (and deserve) have been afforded to women that live within patriarchy.

many dont realize that if the black man wins, the black woman wins too. it seems like black feminists fear black male masculinity almost as much as white supremacists do.

real shyt, black feminists only show support for a black male man when he's either dead or feminine. when we're alive it's "fukk you nikkas, ya'll are worthless, misogynist, self haters" but when were dead it's like "we must end the war on black bodies #blacklivesmatter"

Great post. @marcuz really posted some gems in this thread. Thank you for your great insights, @marcuz

 

[scarlxrd]

She's 100% right

 

[TMNT4000]

So now black women aren't oppressed.
While I agree with Amanda, black women need to stop writing gawd damn twitter and blog posts about how oppressed they are and take actions to try and uplift other sisters, because the end of the day actions speak louder than words.


@TMNT4000,
@Wenzel Dashington
@Killer Instinct
I don't get why you dudes even come into threads like this.
You say you are not attracted to black women, have no interest in black women, but are always up in threads about black women more than likely looking for way to bash them.
And for the most part Asian and Latina women don't bytch over shyt like this because their men have intact communities and resources to uplift them.
You all never seem to utilize critical thinking when it comes to race relations and how it concerns black women.

At the first bold, when did I ever said that shyt???

Please don't make shyt up out of your ass.

She is complaining about how white men praise white women for black features and not giving black women that same treatment, well DUH, is not they're job to do that.

Who is she to tell about black women beauty struggle when benefits from it, she mixed with some white features she got no place to tell how black women as a whole feel.

And the second bold is a lie because Asian and Latino women will not be having surgeries to look more European if that were true.

 

[Tae]

Of course it's okay now.
The mother in this instance is black and the father is white.

How many bi-racial female celebs with white mothers speak up on issues concerning black women?
Sure if she had a white mother some black women would be giving her the side eye but others would still be

 

[Tae]

When did I ever said that shyt???

Please don't make shyt up out of your ass.

She is complaining about how white men praise white women for black features and not giving black women that same treatment, well DUH, is not they're job to do that.

Who is she to tell about black women beauty struggle when benefits from it, she mixed with some white features she got no place to tell how black women as a whole feel.

And the second bold is a lie because Asian and Latino women will not be having surgeries to look more European if that were true.

You will never hear me complain about white men uplifting white women, that is their job. What is upsetting is that it has to be done at the expense of other women, mainly black women. That is what my gripe is about but that is how this society works and I'd much rather see black women (and men) working to uplift each other than writing articles berating the white man for not giving them a chance.
@Cuzo was saying Asian and Hispanic women don't complain about white women getting opportunities over them etc. not about these women wanting to look Eurocentric. These women have the men in their own communities to give them opportunities. To add to that there are plenty of Hispanic women who are white or can pass for white.

 

[Scott Larock]

You will never hear me complain about white men uplifting white women, that is their job. What is upsetting is that it has to be done at the expense of other women, mainly black women. That is what my gripe is about but that is how this society works and I'd much rather see black women (and men) working to uplift each other than writing articles berating the white man for not giving them a chance.
@Cuzo was saying Asian and Hispanic women don't complain about white women getting opportunities over them etc. not about these women wanting to look Eurocentric. These women have the men in their own communities to give them opportunities. To add to that there are plenty of Hispanic women who are white or can pass for white.

First part of what you said you proved me right, it's a financial issue, second part I agree with however even the water Hispanics tend to prefer to marry their own.

But for blacks your issue is with white supremacy.

 

[Tae]

First part of what you said you proved me right, it's a financial issue, second part I agree with however even the water Hispanics tend to prefer to marry their own.

But for blacks your issue is with white supremacy.

WTH are you taking about? What financial issue?
I'm not even talking about IR marriage rates I'm taking about opportunities for black women.

 

[TMNT4000]

You will never hear me complain about white men uplifting white women, that is their job. What is upsetting is that it has to be done at the expense of other women, mainly black women. That is what my gripe is about but that is how this society works and I'd much rather see black women (and men) working to uplift each other than writing articles berating the white man for not giving them a chance.
@Cuzo was saying Asian and Hispanic women don't complain about white women getting opportunities over them etc. not about these women wanting to look Eurocentric. These women have the men in their own communities to give them opportunities. To add to that there are plenty of Hispanic women who are white or can pass for white.

When you say at the expense of black women can you give me an example?

Because if at the expense is on anything white own, than you should know better.

 

[Tropical Fantasy]

Even if the black community suddenly had a powerful patriachy, I don't think that would help black women at all and it would probably worsen the situation for black women. The fact is, black men will continue to idolise non black women as a result of centuries of ingrained cac centric beauty standards that would take many decades to dismantle in the black diaspora. In fact im sure if black mens status improved, it would just mean black men would further pursue other non black women . For example most rich and influential problack black men end up marrying white or mixed race women. Cultural change is what's needed in the black diaspora.

absolute conjecture. it's more reasonable to conclude that if the collective status of black men improved, black women would be one of the biggest beneficiaries. vast majority of black men with money marry black women

By analyzing census data Toldson and Marks found that 83 percent of married black men who earned at least $100,000 annually got hitched to black women. The same is the case for educated black men of all incomes. Eighty-five percent of black male college graduates married black women. Generally, 88 percent of married black men (no matter their income or educational background) have black wives.

http://racerelations.about.com/od/diversitymatters/a/Four-Myths-About-Black-Marriage.htm


just because Michael Jordan and Kanye have non black wives does mean that all black men aspire to have non black wives. black male celebrities DO NOT REPRESENT ALL BLACK MEN.


black women need to stop letting the white supremacist pop culture media outlets direct their collective consciousness

 

[godkiller]

How many bi-racial female celebs with white mothers speak up on issues concerning black women?

It's a common stereotype that there is always a light skin (or biracial) obsessed black nationalism, oftentimes moreso than dark skins. These biracials reside in places like Tumblr. The Coli even had some militant biracials. Rachel Docheal herself is white and spoke up on black issues for years, more so than 90% of black women. The only difference between the biracials-with-white-mothers who post on black tumblr and Amandla is that Amandla has a celebrity platform. Oh yeah, and Amanda still hasn't dated a black man (I guess her mom's c00n powers had an effect after all).

When I think about it, all the coli biracials with white fathers are c00ns or don't care about race issues: Spoonz, the GOT Asha guy, the Puerto Rican who posts in the Locker Room. On the other hand, practically the militant biracials here have white mothers (there are c00ns too but it's more variety).

 

[Will Ross]

You will never hear me complain about white men uplifting white women, that is their job. What is upsetting is that it has to be done at the expense of other women, mainly black women. That is what my gripe is about but that is how this society works and I'd much rather see black women (and men) working to uplift each other than writing articles berating the white man for not giving them a chance.
@Cuzo was saying Asian and Hispanic women don't complain about white women getting opportunities over them etc. not about these women wanting to look Eurocentric. These women have the men in their own communities to give them opportunities. To add to that there are plenty of Hispanic women who are whickte or can pass for white.

The thing is we do uplift each other the major differences between black men and women is we are not looking for white female approval. You guys want white male appvoal