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Black family in Georgia passed down a song through the centuries after slavery. Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.
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I been trying to tell these nikkas that we came from all over the world. Many were pushed into Africa after the dark ages. Some were already here in America too. The pope signed a papal Bull to call “open season in nikkas” then were rounded up and hence the diaspora
Both. Music is culture passed down by a people who usually are of a specific genetic pool. Unless, when it's a stolen legacy as we see with many Black American genres. However, even then we can trace the origins of that culture through imprints in the culture.
"Jazz harmony at its structural and aesthetic level is based predominantly on African matrices,..."
journal article
The African Matrix in Jazz Harmonic Practices
Gerhard Kubik
Black Music Research Journal
Vol. 25, No. 1/2 (Spring - Fall, 2005), pp. 167-222 (56 pages)
Published By: Center for Black Music Research - Columbia College Chicago
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30039290
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I don’t doubt there were natives who resembled the aboriginals in Australia, the Philippines, etc.
But let’s be real, most of them resembled Mexicans.
CACs treat the actual natives like shyt, how would us being able to claim that we are native to this land change anything?
Im not confident enough to say most of them looked like Mexicans. Its possible,but its a strong assumption. When the Spaniards came,they sent alot of natives back to spain as slaves. Then alot of those natives were traded as part of the slave trade. Do we honestly think the "black" natives wouldve been set apart from the African slaves? No,they wouldve just been apart of one homogenous commodity.
And the natives got land,but they probably just dont care about land like we wouldnt. I doubt living indegileniously as that easy these days. Plus the lure of Babylon would make it hard anyway,especially for the youth. Point is they got some land.
To my knowledge, most (if not all) of the natives they sent back died of disease.
Hence the reason why they started importing Africans.
I’ve never heard anything about them going through the hassle of taking them to Spain, then putting them on a boat again to bring them back to where they originally brought them from.
Logistically that doesn’t make much sense.
And your second paragraph more or less proves my point. Let’s say we are indigenous to this land and we are able to prove it.
It changes absolutely nothing.
I remember when people used to clown Dominicans for claiming to be Taino.
Now we got black Americans doing the same shyt.
The idea of just living off nature,building dirt mounds isnt as alluring as being "kings and queens" and building pyramids. Or being the moors who taught the European mathmatics. We only want to be the groups of black people that the European would see as civilized and respectable
Then they always hit me with "It might have been a few black natives over here". Really?Just a couple of em
? When have we ever seen that setup among tribes who have diverse phenotypes?
Sources for this! Peer reviewed sources…
“All Native American mtDNA can be traced back to five Haplogroups called A, B, C, D, and X. More specifically, Native American mtDNA belongs to sub-haplogroups that are unique to the Americas and not found in Asia or Europe: A2, B2, C1, D1, and X2a (with minor groups C4c, D2, D3, and D4h3)”
November 2016 – DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy
10 posts published by Roberta Estes during November 2016
dna-explained.com
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Ancient DNA Charts Native Americans’ Journeys to Asia Thousands of Years Ago
Analysis of ten Eurasian individuals, up to 7,500 years old, gives a new picture of movement across continents
www.smithsonianmag.com
Native American DNA
Who is a Native American? And who gets to decide? From genealogists searching online for their ancestors to fortune hunters hoping for a slice of casino prof...
www.upress.umn.edu
Native American gene flow into Polynesia predating Easter Island settlement - Nature
Genomic analyses of DNA from modern individuals show that, about 800 years ago, pre-European contact occurred between Polynesian individuals and Native American individuals from near present-day Colombia, while remote Pacific islands were still being settled.
www.nature.com
Bird Martinez DNA results
Do you understand what this means?
“Migration within a larger time framework took place ca. 15,000–18,000 BP, when the first Asian populations crossed the Bering Strait, ultimately founding the modern Amerindian population. Despite having as much as 18,000 years of selection in environments as diverse as those found in the Old World, body mass and proportion clines in the Americas are less steep than those in the Old World (Newman, 1953; Roberts, 1978). In fact, as Hulse (1960) pointed out, Amerindians, even in the tropics, tend to possess some ‘‘arctic’’ adaptations. Thus he concluded that it must take more than 15,000 years for modern humans to fully adapt to a new environment (see also Trinkaus, 1992). This suggests that body proportions tend not to be very plastic under natural conditions, and that selective rates on body shape are such that evolution in these features is long-term."
Body proportions in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern human origins - PubMed
Body proportions covary with climate, apparently as the result of climatic selection. Ontogenic research and migrant studies have demonstrated that body proportions are largely genetically controlled and are under low selective rates; thus studies of body form can provide evidence for...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara."
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit - PubMed
Given the well-documented fact that human body proportions covary with climate (presumably due to the action of selection), one would expect that the Ipiutak and Tigara Inuit samples from Point Hope, Alaska, would be characterized by an extremely cold-adapted body shape. Comparison of the Point...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Today we are going to destroy all this pseudo armchair babble.
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We aren't African. We can throw darts at West and Central African countries all day but it doesn't make us African. What is African? We aren't immigrants but we never forget where we our people were stolen and sold from. I wish yall would understand how deep, crazy and nasty our history is instead of the surface level shyt. We have a complicated history. If you don't know or understand that stfu
Nobody is scared to African. We aren't you. You aren't us. It's time to let that go. What is African?
Sources for this! Peer reviewed sources…
“All Native American mtDNA can be traced back to five Haplogroups called A, B, C, D, and X. More specifically, Native American mtDNA belongs to sub-haplogroups that are unique to the Americas and not found in Asia or Europe: A2, B2, C1, D1, and X2a (with minor groups C4c, D2, D3, and D4h3)”
(Roberta Estes, DNA Explained, November 2016)November 2016 – DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy
10 posts published by Roberta Estes during November 2016
Ancient DNA Charts Native Americans’ Journeys to Asia Thousands of Years Ago
Analysis of ten Eurasian individuals, up to 7,500 years old, gives a new picture of movement across continents
Native American DNA
Who is a Native American? And who gets to decide? From genealogists searching online for their ancestors to fortune hunters hoping for a slice of casino prof...
Native American gene flow into Polynesia predating Easter Island settlement - Nature
Genomic analyses of DNA from modern individuals show that, about 800 years ago, pre-European contact occurred between Polynesian individuals and Native American individuals from near present-day Colombia, while remote Pacific islands were still being settled.
Bird Martinez DNA results
Do you understand what this means?
“Migration within a larger time framework took place ca. 15,000–18,000 BP, when the first Asian populations crossed the Bering Strait, ultimately founding the modern Amerindian population. Despite having as much as 18,000 years of selection in environments as diverse as those found in the Old World, body mass and proportion clines in the Americas are less steep than those in the Old World (Newman, 1953; Roberts, 1978). In fact, as Hulse (1960) pointed out, Amerindians, even in the tropics, tend to possess some ‘‘arctic’’ adaptations. Thus he concluded that it must take more than 15,000 years for modern humans to fully adapt to a new environment (see also Trinkaus, 1992). This suggests that body proportions tend not to be very plastic under natural conditions, and that selective rates on body shape are such that evolution in these features is long-term."
Body proportions in Late Pleistocene Europe and modern human origins - PubMed
Body proportions covary with climate, apparently as the result of climatic selection. Ontogenic research and migrant studies have demonstrated that body proportions are largely genetically controlled and are under low selective rates; thus studies of body form can provide evidence for...
"What we can say, however, is that in the Holocene, humans from southwest Asia do not exhibit tropically adapted body shape (Crognier 1981; Eveleth and Tanner 1976; Schreider 1975)...."
"In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara."
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit - PubMed
Given the well-documented fact that human body proportions covary with climate (presumably due to the action of selection), one would expect that the Ipiutak and Tigara Inuit samples from Point Hope, Alaska, would be characterized by an extremely cold-adapted body shape. Comparison of the Point...
Today we are going to destroy all this pseudo armchair babble.
We were already here before people crossed over from the beiring strait. The European just has had the idea we had no other way over here. Its possible we arrived from the Pacific Islands by boat or land bridge
I’ve already acknowledge that we are far removed from Africa.
Culturally and even ethnically, we are our own people and our own lineage.
I’m not talking about black people who identify as ADOS/FBA/Black American, etc.
I’m talking about idiots who claim that we are actually indigenous and claim that the transatlantic slave trade is a myth or exaggerated.
Our black ancestry comes from Africa. Some of us have native and even European DNA, but if you are black in America your black ancestry came from Africa.
Y’all are too old to be believing in fairy tales and you’re actually making a joke out of the reparations movement when you start claiming the transatlantic slave trade didn’t happen.
Stop with the yall. People are saying they aren't black because they believe it means Black American. People are saying we aren't African because we aren't African. What's the difference? Maybe it's semantics but I think people know and understand. Folks just choose to be willfully ignorant