Bill Simmons on 2012 team vs. the Dream Team

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us almost lost to spain
literally neck to neck da whole game
and dis was when marc gasol was on da bench for da majority of da game with foul trouble

gasol was abusing everyone in da post
thought dat woulda put da argument to rest
seems like it only made it worse

2012 team has no chance
 

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WHY ARE YOU fukkS STILL ARGUING ABOUT THIS BULLshyt???
 

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us almost lost to spain
literally neck to neck da whole game
and dis was when marc gasol was on da bench for da majority of da game with foul trouble

gasol was abusing everyone in da post
thought dat woulda put da argument to rest
seems like it only made it worse

2012 team has no chance

the spanish team has been playing together for almost a decade.

the dream team was just a collection of players. big difference.

dream team would struggle IMO. you guys arent taking chemistry into account. dont try and say they had it, they just werent playing against anyone.
 

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the spanish team has been playing together for almost a decade.

the dream team was just a collection of players. big difference.

dream team would struggle IMO. you guys arent taking chemistry into account. dont try and say they had it, they just werent playing against anyone.

no
the dream team would not struggle
yes, chemistry is good but it can only take u so far
2012 team has been playin for a lot less time den most the teams they demolished

at the end of da day
gasol aint dominating or bullying patrick ewing, david robinson, and karl malone in da post
it just isnt happening
the dream team woulda won by 30 or more over spain

and like someone said earlier
if u replace spain's sg with michael jordan and u keep da rest of da team in tact
im pretty sure team USA LOSES
im sure mj can make up 8 points:mjpls:
 
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Q: Why haven't you taken the time to sit down and thoroughly dissect the chances of the 2012 Olympic team beating the 1992 team? Isn't it tempting? Kobe vs. Jordan, LeBron vs. everyone else, even the two college kids and who impacted the team more! I need someone with real basketball knowledge to tackle this, not talking heads.
— Melvin, Boston

SG: Melvin, your effective guilt trip shamed me into a response. 1992 vs. 2012 … hmmmmm … sounds like the perfect topic for our second Dr. Jack Breakdown of the month!


WHICH TEAM WAS MICHAEL JORDAN ON?

The original Dream Team featured the greatest basketball player of all time at his absolute mega-apex. To be clear, "mega-apex" isn't a word. You can't have a mega-apex. In the summer of 1992, however, Jordan was experiencing a mega-apex. Nobody has ever been better at basketball than Michael Jordan in 1992 — he submitted the rich man's version of the year LeBron just wrapped up (right down to the hardware). He also happened to be homicidally competitive, quite possibly the most ruthless athlete in the history of team sports. Jordan loved beating people so much that he couldn't stop doing it. He had to beat people at everything: golf, poker, half-court shots, even whose bag came out first in baggage claim.

So if we're having a hypothetical "1992 vs. 2012" conversation, that means we're convening the Dream Team in August of 1992 and telling them, "Hey, fellas? We just built you a time machine. We're traveling 20 years into the future so you can play America's 2012 team — these guys are really good; more than a few people even think they can beat you guys."

That's when 1992 Michael tries to fight off a sarcastic smirk and says, "Really? I'd love to hear more. Tell me a little about these guys."

"Well, they have someone named LeBron who's the best basketball player since you. They have someone named Durant who's an even better shooter than Bird in his prime. They have a guy named Kobe who's probably the best 2-guard since you — he's near the end of his career, though. Their point guards are really good. They have incredible outside shooting — the 3-point line is too short for them. And they're extremely athletic."

That's when Michael says, "Sounds interesting. Who are their centers?"

"Well, that's their weak spot — they don't really have any centers. They don't have a low-post game at all. Or anyone to protect the rim. They basically play small ball and shoot 3s."

And that's when Michael starts laughing, asks for directions to the time machine, and wonders aloud if his golf clubs will make it through time travel. So much for our Dr. Jack Breakdown.

(Important note: Had Dwight Howard played this summer, you might have been able to coerce me into a "1992 vs. 2012" discussion. But after watching Pau Gasol pick open the 2012 team's small-ball scab with a shrimp fork for two hours, it's just not happening — we can't waste 6,000 words wondering if Tyson Chandler, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony and LeBron could have handled Barkley, Malone, Robinson and Ewing down low, much less if their teammates could have slowed down Jordan and Scottie during the most devastating two-way peak of their alliance. The 1992 team wasn't losing to a gimmick like small ball. And 1992 MJ wasn't losing, period. Let's just move on before I get pissy.)
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I'm fairly certain the chemistry argument was the last line of defense. You can't argue that the bigs on Team USA are better than the bigs on the original Dream Team. You can't ague that the Gasols are better than the bigs on the original Dream Team. You can't argue that the original Dream Team wasn't a lot better and deeper than Spain at every position and you can't argue that despite Croatia's 50% from three they were still blown out of the water.

The two things 2012 has going for them are more time together and the capability of getting red hot from three.

If it's a single game maybe 2012 is red hot from three despite Dream Team being by far the best defensive team they will have seen (and to be fair vice versa).

If it's a seven game series I see Dream Team controlling the paint and the 3 point shooters on '12 having at least one off game or a couple so-so games.

Remember.. they made 15 threes against Spain and shot 40% but Spain was still right there with them most of the way.

I love that '96 squad. That would be a fun debate. 2008 also.
 
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