Bill Simmons on 2012 team vs. the Dream Team

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Q: Why haven't you taken the time to sit down and thoroughly dissect the chances of the 2012 Olympic team beating the 1992 team? Isn't it tempting? Kobe vs. Jordan, LeBron vs. everyone else, even the two college kids and who impacted the team more! I need someone with real basketball knowledge to tackle this, not talking heads.
— Melvin, Boston

SG: Melvin, your effective guilt trip shamed me into a response. 1992 vs. 2012 … hmmmmm … sounds like the perfect topic for our second Dr. Jack Breakdown of the month!


WHICH TEAM WAS MICHAEL JORDAN ON?

The original Dream Team featured the greatest basketball player of all time at his absolute mega-apex. To be clear, "mega-apex" isn't a word. You can't have a mega-apex. In the summer of 1992, however, Jordan was experiencing a mega-apex. Nobody has ever been better at basketball than Michael Jordan in 1992 — he submitted the rich man's version of the year LeBron just wrapped up (right down to the hardware). He also happened to be homicidally competitive, quite possibly the most ruthless athlete in the history of team sports. Jordan loved beating people so much that he couldn't stop doing it. He had to beat people at everything: golf, poker, half-court shots, even whose bag came out first in baggage claim.

So if we're having a hypothetical "1992 vs. 2012" conversation, that means we're convening the Dream Team in August of 1992 and telling them, "Hey, fellas? We just built you a time machine. We're traveling 20 years into the future so you can play America's 2012 team — these guys are really good; more than a few people even think they can beat you guys."

That's when 1992 Michael tries to fight off a sarcastic smirk and says, "Really? I'd love to hear more. Tell me a little about these guys."

"Well, they have someone named LeBron who's the best basketball player since you. They have someone named Durant who's an even better shooter than Bird in his prime. They have a guy named Kobe who's probably the best 2-guard since you — he's near the end of his career, though. Their point guards are really good. They have incredible outside shooting — the 3-point line is too short for them. And they're extremely athletic."

That's when Michael says, "Sounds interesting. Who are their centers?"

"Well, that's their weak spot — they don't really have any centers. They don't have a low-post game at all. Or anyone to protect the rim. They basically play small ball and shoot 3s."

And that's when Michael starts laughing, asks for directions to the time machine, and wonders aloud if his golf clubs will make it through time travel. So much for our Dr. Jack Breakdown.

(Important note: Had Dwight Howard played this summer, you might have been able to coerce me into a "1992 vs. 2012" discussion. But after watching Pau Gasol pick open the 2012 team's small-ball scab with a shrimp fork for two hours, it's just not happening — we can't waste 6,000 words wondering if Tyson Chandler, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony and LeBron could have handled Barkley, Malone, Robinson and Ewing down low, much less if their teammates could have slowed down Jordan and Scottie during the most devastating two-way peak of their alliance. The 1992 team wasn't losing to a gimmick like small ball. And 1992 MJ wasn't losing, period. Let's just move on before I get pissy.)

:leon: I think he summed it up very well.
 

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Drob, Dream, Malone, would have destroyed the 2012 team in the paint, Gasol was killing them and he's 1/2 the player of the Dream team bigs
 

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2008 was a more complete team than 2012. We'll never know what the '12 team was truly capable of with Rose, Howard, Wade, Griffin, and Bosh all healthy.
 

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Anybody remember that show Deadliest Warrior? They took warriors throughout history and took all their attributes, weapons, fighting styles, and compiled all the data and put it in a computer and ran like a 1000 battle scenarios to come up with the likely winner. They should do that with these 2 teams. I got the Dream team but I'd be interested in the results. fukk Bill Simmons for saying 2012 had no rim protection tho. Disrespecting my boy Tyson Chandler.
 

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Q: Why haven't you taken the time to sit down and thoroughly dissect the chances of the 2012 Olympic team beating the 1992 team? Isn't it tempting? Kobe vs. Jordan, LeBron vs. everyone else, even the two college kids and who impacted the team more! I need someone with real basketball knowledge to tackle this, not talking heads.
— Melvin, Boston

SG: Melvin, your effective guilt trip shamed me into a response. 1992 vs. 2012 … hmmmmm … sounds like the perfect topic for our second Dr. Jack Breakdown of the month!


WHICH TEAM WAS MICHAEL JORDAN ON?

The original Dream Team featured the greatest basketball player of all time at his absolute mega-apex. To be clear, "mega-apex" isn't a word. You can't have a mega-apex. In the summer of 1992, however, Jordan was experiencing a mega-apex. Nobody has ever been better at basketball than Michael Jordan in 1992 — he submitted the rich man's version of the year LeBron just wrapped up (right down to the hardware). He also happened to be homicidally competitive, quite possibly the most ruthless athlete in the history of team sports. Jordan loved beating people so much that he couldn't stop doing it. He had to beat people at everything: golf, poker, half-court shots, even whose bag came out first in baggage claim.

So if we're having a hypothetical "1992 vs. 2012" conversation, that means we're convening the Dream Team in August of 1992 and telling them, "Hey, fellas? We just built you a time machine. We're traveling 20 years into the future so you can play America's 2012 team — these guys are really good; more than a few people even think they can beat you guys."

That's when 1992 Michael tries to fight off a sarcastic smirk and says, "Really? I'd love to hear more. Tell me a little about these guys."

"Well, they have someone named LeBron who's the best basketball player since you. They have someone named Durant who's an even better shooter than Bird in his prime. They have a guy named Kobe who's probably the best 2-guard since you — he's near the end of his career, though. Their point guards are really good. They have incredible outside shooting — the 3-point line is too short for them. And they're extremely athletic."

That's when Michael says, "Sounds interesting. Who are their centers?"

"Well, that's their weak spot — they don't really have any centers. They don't have a low-post game at all. Or anyone to protect the rim. They basically play small ball and shoot 3s."

And that's when Michael starts laughing, asks for directions to the time machine, and wonders aloud if his golf clubs will make it through time travel. So much for our Dr. Jack Breakdown.

(Important note: Had Dwight Howard played this summer, you might have been able to coerce me into a "1992 vs. 2012" discussion. But after watching Pau Gasol pick open the 2012 team's small-ball scab with a shrimp fork for two hours, it's just not happening — we can't waste 6,000 words wondering if Tyson Chandler, Kevin Love, Carmelo Anthony and LeBron could have handled Barkley, Malone, Robinson and Ewing down low, much less if their teammates could have slowed down Jordan and Scottie during the most devastating two-way peak of their alliance. The 1992 team wasn't losing to a gimmick like small ball. And 1992 MJ wasn't losing, period. Let's just move on before I get pissy.)

:leon: I think he summed it up very well.

excellent sum up - i agree 100% props to Bill Simmons

so now children keep it movin' and lets just enjoy things for what they are

no team is fukking with '92 ; if you think that you do _NOT_ understand who Michael Jordan is/was ; HE would simply not let them ever lose when it mattered
 

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All it would take is one of those blackout shooting nights from the 2012 team, the centers are the huge advantage for the 92 team, but when this current teams gets hot there's absolutely nothing you can do.
yeah if Melo, Durant, Kobe,or even CP3 goes off from 3 I dont know if the '92 team has the shooters to stay with them, as bizarre as that sounds.
 
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Practically every player aside from LAettner was a top 50 player on that team..you arent gonna have anywhere near that when these players careers are over..dream team is far more talented then this current one
 

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yeah if Melo, Durant, Kobe,or even CP3 goes off from 3 I dont know if the '92 team has the shooters to stay with them, as bizarre as that sounds.

Eh, three point shooting is pretty much they're only chance, but I don't think they get the same wide open looks against the Dream Team's defense as they did against the rest of the world. The Dream Team doesn't have to collapse on penetration because they have Ewing, Robinson and Malone guarding the paint.

Another huge problem with their lack of size is their inability to control the paint against bigger teams really limits the fast break opportunities.
 

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If da 2012 team wasn't plagued wit injuries and had its original cast before cat's got hurt...:usure:

Dat 2008 team ain't nothin to fukk wit neevas...:usure:
 

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its like some of you guys just watch things and then say it to suit your own personal agenda

was i the only one watching gasol and other bigs feastin' on the USA Bigs?

and stop with this oh what if we had Drose and D12 and blake, etc,, they weren't part of the team, what if the '92 team had zeke, etc...

and what ghost said... you guys seem to forget MJ and pip were ALL time perimeter defenders...

i dont know about some of you guys.. all i can figure is you're in your early 20s and didnt experience these '92 dudes in person or on tv while their careers were progressing, which is fine, but then dont speak on things you have no understanding of
 
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