Bill Maher: Occupy should stop camping & start participating in the political process

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

*EDIT* Not worth the time...

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You are the worst poster ever. You should have stayed on sohh. Keep watching CNN and repeating the "conventional" talking points you fukking clown.

Who is he?

 

[Broke Wave]

Who is he?

CTK aka We Beast Mode

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

CTK aka We Beast Mode

Oh okay. Where is swagmar?

 

[Broke Wave]

Oh okay. Where is swagmar?

Pretending to be black on another forum hopefully.

 

[OsO]

props to flex on the link:

DEAR AMERICA: You Should Be Mad As Hell About This [CHARTS] - Business Insider

and you negroes are in here talking about politics

yall gotta wake up. there are no SIGNIFICANT differences in society no matter who is in office. but if youre gonna do politics then at least focus on local politics cuz we can make significant more impact there than national politics.

but essentially all that gets determined by voting republican and democrat is determining which faction of the elite are getting a bigger piece of the pie. the rich stay getting richer regardless.

now how you gonna combat that? organize some people and try and get some politicians to bend to your will over the corporations who are breaking them off righteous bread? corporations whose money is a thousands times longer than yours?

and to what end? say you get the politicians on your side, what are your demands? more balanced and just economic laws? more balanced and just campaign finance laws lol? and then maybe you can get some money and live good?

no..... no, no, no. skip to the end of the fukking scenario and get organized economically and get the money mayne.... then you can fukkin move how you wanna move. fukk a step 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6- man jump straight to step 10. yall wanna depend on the beast for some shyt that aint never coming.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I dont think a lot of people would disagree; the question is, is shytting on cop cars, taggin + breaking store windows and camping in public parks "step 10"? How can a movement grow if its not even willing to examine its own effectiveness by tangible metrics?

 

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damn they still camping lol, go do something

 

[Meta Reign]

I have arrived!!!

It took me 3 days to get the 10 post necessary to post in Higher Learning. It's hard work to feign interest amongst the commoners while mimicking their language (had to post in The Locker Room to get those posts up).

VVD, I see you're still a faqqit on this board as well. How do you do?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I have arrived!!!

It took me 3 days to get the 10 post necessary to post in Higher Learning. It's hard work to feign interest amongst the commoners while mimicking their language (had to post in The Locker Room to get those posts up).

VVD, I see you're still a faqqit on this board as well. How do you do?

Mega Lame! Give any rich Jews business cards and offers of fellatio for a glance at your resume lately?

 

[OsO]

I dont think a lot of people would disagree; the question is, is shytting on cop cars, taggin + breaking store windows and camping in public parks "step 10"? How can a movement grow if its not even willing to examine its own effectiveness by tangible metrics?

of course that's not step 10. i agree like everyone else that OWS needs more focus, direction, and leadership.

but i dont see organizing for political ends as a step in the right direction... 1) because politics is bullshyt and 2) OWS started out as an economic movement.

so imo organizing OWS on a political platform makes no sense

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

once again your reading comprehension has failed, though i guess that's to be expected at this point.

nothing i wrote in that thread contradicts anything ive stated in this thread. if anything it supports what ive been saying in this thread, and demonstrates how ive seen behind the veil of politics for some time now. and it also shows how ive been trying to teach egg-headed negroes how to get mentally and physically free from a system that has them almost completely enslaved.

im trying to explain to you how we can jump from A to Z without going through a middle man, because we dont NEED a middle man. for economic liberation all we need is to organize amongst ourselves. then after that you'll have the ability to buy all the political influence you want.

but anyone trying to go through politics to get to freedom is hustling backwards. in this system you get the money first, then you can move how you need to move.

the political system is a joke, and the jokes on us.

wake up

Your simultaneous disingenuous calls for peace and civility and catty, sassy retorts are beyond tired at this point. If you want to insult and make fun of each other, we can do that, or if you want to be civil and professional, we can do that too. But please stop decrying the degree of animus and hostility in KTL and HL while at the same time responding to every disagreeing post with the sassiness of my 10th grade girlfriend.

Chill with this "you fail at reading comprehension" shyt. You fail at actually expressing a rational point. You say that every time you get caught in a contradiction or logical fallacy. You said here that you do follow politics. I pointed out a thread you made where you proudly proclaimed that you DON'T follow politics and criticized others for doing so. So nobody failed to comprehend anything. Learn how to express yourself in a manner that is not scatter-brained and contradictory instead of getting mad when you're quoted accurately.

The difference between you and some of the others in this thread that have expressed similar sentiments as far as their desire to initiate change while circumventing the political system is that they actually follow and understand the political system, and how it effects our lives. You do not because you choose the path of ignorance. You are proud to play the role of the ostrich with his head in the sand. You haven't studied the Constitution, our legal system, and its history. You don't know anything about how laws are enacted, the process of going through the House and the Senate, executive action, or anything of the sort. You don't even lift a brain cell to study political philosophy, economics, or science. You don't understand anything about the budgetary process or our monetary system. You probably don't even know the most basic and fundamental differences between U. S. left and right approaches to economics. And I'm not knocking you for that, I'm knocking for you being proud to dwell in your ignorance and smugly stating "the political system is for suckers b" while being oblivious to how the consequences of it affect you and everyone else's everyday life.

Every single thing that happens as if pertains to peoples' health, well-being, cultural environment, and socioeconomic status is intertwined to the legal and political system. From the food you eat and water you drink, to the streets and highways and businesses in your local, to your grandma's health benefits, to your education, your job, and the price of your rent or mortgage is affected by politics. How do you think things are the way they are? These things were deliberated and voted on. People were dying from drinking radioactive beverages and diseases like diptheria from toxic products and working conditions until muckraking journalists and social activists beat the drum and pressured the government into creating an FDA and consumer safety standards. The quality of life and health for people has gotten better with creation of Social Security and the wonderful Medicare program. Jim Crow is now because of the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. I could go on and on. You talk all this "fukk politics b I'm a cool rebel and I don't vote cuz I'm not brainwashed by the beast" shyt oblivious to the fact that there are a plethora of comforts you take for granted, wholly unaware that there was a political/legal fight to obtain them. The internet you're on right now came about from the government investing in research in the packet switching networks in the 60's and 70's and the eventual development and standardization of the Internet Protocol Suite. So even if you find it prudent to tackle these problems outside of the political system, you will inevitable fail because you don't understand anything about what you're up against. I don't need to quote a popular passage from The Art of War, do I?

The maddening thing about people like you is that you've identified the general crux of the problem: too much corruption and corporate influence in politics but fail to see that your apathy and ignorance feeds it. If there was a vibrant, educated, motivated electorate these people would not be able to get away with what they get away with no matter how much corporate lobbying dollars they had backing them. But when you have over half the U.S. like you on some "I don't vote or follow politics because I'm too cool" shyt, and most of the rest distracted by the wrong things, it's very easy for the same "beast" you criticize to keep eating.

To give an example, you say the system is rigged because of amount of corporate cash which supersedes the will of the common man. Well the Citizens United ruling prohibited any restrictions on political cash going to campaigns. It put the problem on steroids.

How did Citizens United happen?

Because the SCOTUS was stacked with ultra-right-wing judges who ruled 5-4.

How did the SCOTUS get stacked with a ultra-right-wing judges?

Because the biggest whore for corporate billionaires and most hardline right-wing President in modern history George W. Bush was elected.

How did George W. Bush get elected?

Because a lot of people vote against their own economic interest for the wrong reasons and even more people sit home thinking they're smart because they "don't follow politics" like you while they suffer from the effects of this process they choose to remove themselves from and then stupidly use those effects as validation for their stance when in reality the opposite is true.

But you've never even heard of Citizens United I'm sure.

And please stop creating this false portrait of a binary choice between community organization and actively involving yourself in electoral politics. It's not mutually exclusive. You do both. But after all your bluster, one has to ask the question what are you doing and what are you solutions. I've heard a lot of nothing...just vague sloganeering and bumper sticker material. You've said nothing that I couldn't hear from some bowtie-wearing dude handing out leaflets on Brambleton ave. Even if you're encouraging self-determination and economic liberation--good concepts--you have no plan or vision in terms of specifics. You seem to be more concerned with trying to prove your not "brainwashed" or "plugged into the matrix" or whatever other bullshyt lazy generation Y conspiracy theorist meme that makes you feels like you matter than actually trying to understand the big picture and find solutions.

 

[Spanish Thought]

This country is run by people who are very comfortable in their powerful positions. You won't catch me campin out with OWS but if they're willing to be out there for something they believe is a good reason, whatever that may be, then let them shake things up a bit if they can.

If u disagree with them then cool, but how are they harming the country? If anything they do makes anybody in power uncomfortable then they're doing something right. I hope they stay protesting every day until this is a perfect country.

Why doesn't fast food use real meat? Protest at OWS!
Student Loans are some bullshyt! Protest at OWS!
Police Brutality? Protest at OWS!

They should never leave!

But you'll never see me out there tho, i got to much shyt to do....



As far as the political process, we all forget that the whole country witnessed a stolen election in 2000.

Remember that Pacquiao fight last weekend anybody? Imagine you bet money on Pacquiao and lost that money even though he actually won, would you ever bet on a fight again? Knowing that the outcome can be fixed?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

of course that's not step 10. i agree like everyone else that OWS needs more focus, direction, and leadership.

but i dont see organizing for political ends as a step in the right direction... 1) because politics is bullshyt and 2) OWS started out as an economic movement.

so imo organizing OWS on a political platform makes no sense

Politics is bullshyt because people have let it be taken over by special interests and $$$. Don't be dumb and downplay the govt's power. The govt enables the rich to fleece the rest of the country, be it through pandering to lobbyists, manipulating the currency in their favor, espousing dialogue to pit factions of the non-rich against each other as a diversion, violating the civil rights of anyone who can't afford govt representation, etc. etc. The shytty economics are just a symptom of the (currently) shytty political process... you're crazy if you think you can cure a symptom but bypass the disease. As long as you enable politicians to create policies that result in inequitable, disenfranchising economics, you will always have an economic problem.

OWS has to get down and dirty, get organized and get a dog in the political fight. Or make serious efforts to overthrow + replace the gov't. But "generating dialogue" and hoping someone else will do the actual heavy lifting is not the wave.

 

[OsO]

Your simultaneous disingenuous calls for peace and civility and catty, sassy retorts are beyond tired at this point. If you want to insult and make fun of each other, we can do that, or if you want to be civil and professional, we can do that too. But please stop decrying the degree of animus and hostility in KTL and HL while at the same time responding to every disagreeing post with the sassiness of my 10th grade girlfriend.

thats quite hypocritical of you vic. i tried to keep it civilized with you for some time despite YOUR tendency for petty insults. so let's not try and play the victim here

ive just come to see your fakkitry in a different light... you are literally living out some kind of e-fantasy on these internet forums and it's having a devastating affect on your psyche. i really think you have some serious mental health issues.

at your best i think youre a good, smart poster who can make valid points backed by information and reasoning.

at your worst youre a psychotic fakkit whose e-persona is a sad mix of nelson form the simpsons and tmz

it is what it is

Chill with this "you fail at reading comprehension" shyt. You fail at actually expressing a rational point. You say that every time you get caught in a contradiction or logical fallacy. You said here that you do follow politics. I pointed out a thread you made where you proudly proclaimed that you DON'T follow politics and criticized others for doing so. So nobody failed to comprehend anything. Learn how to express yourself in a manner that is not scatter-brained and contradictory instead of getting mad when you're quoted accurately.

not only do i study politics, but it is my study of politics that has led me to the conclusion that mobilizing for political participation should not be the main focus of any movement seeking real social change.

so once again, i have studied politics. and i have participated in politics before. and thats how i came to see its impotence in creating positive social change.

so no, i do not follow politics, but that does not equate to being uneducated or ignorant of the political process or the mechanisms of politics... the game remains the same, only the players change

Every single thing that happens as if pertains to peoples' health, well-being, cultural environment, and socioeconomic status is intertwined to the legal and political system.

the point of me and everyone else off decisions made through the political process is a valid one. and its also true i may take them for granted, but it's false that im not aware they exist. im fully aware they exist and im fully aware its a bi-product of living within the system. i chose to live within the system so that means i am subject to those rewards and those consequences that come along with living on the tit of the beast. so that means that i get healthcare from my job, and it also means i have to participate in the system that is murdering and oppressing people in some capacity.

so yes to political mechanisms greatly influencing our society, but no to those political mechanisms being managed or implemented effectively.

i look at it is energy spent versus potential payoffs. and the way i see it the energy it would take to truly reform society through the political process AT THIS POINT IN OUR HISTORY could be better utilized in other developmental areas, specifically spiritual and economic areas.

The maddening thing about people like you is that you've identified the general crux of the problem: too much corruption and corporate influence in politics but fail to see that your apathy and ignorance feeds it.

i understand what youre saying and i agree to an extent. only we dont agree on the necessary outcomes nor the best methods for social reform. i am working on the same solutions as your political parties but from a different angle.

i dont think mobilizing and organizing people for participation in the political process is an efficient way to create real social change at this point in history. i think if the ruling class played by the rules or had an ounce of integrity then maybe we could play the game square and use official political mechanisms to address social problems as was intended by your constitution. but obviously our ruling class does not have that kind of integrity. we are dealing with people who lie, cheat, steal, deceive, exploit, and murder their way to whatever they want... and you want to take negroes into the voting booth

so my suggestion is to get organized and mobilized economically, because like i said:

political mobilization for voting purposes should definitely be in the discussion as one prong in a several pronged strategy, but by no means should participating in the political process be a main focus of the movement.

thousands of occupiers organizing and coordinating an economic network based on the principles of community economics or cooperative economics will be far more powerful at creating real change than thousands of occupiers rallying behind some politician who is probably getting a bigger check from some other lobbyist group anyway.

To give an example, you say the system is rigged because of amount of corporate cash which supersedes the will of the common man. Well the Citizens United ruling prohibited any restrictions on political cash going to campaigns. It put the problem on steroids.



But you've never even heard of Citizens United I'm sure.

plus now corporations can donate almost unlimited amounts to political campaigns?! naw it's a wrap.

And please stop creating this false portrait of a binary choice between community organization and actively involving yourself in electoral politics. It's not mutually exclusive. You do both.

actually i feel you. it is some peoples role to do both, just not me. and i know for a fact if more people were mobilizing economically instead of trying to organize politically then we would be much further along.

But after all your bluster, one has to ask the question what are you doing and what are you solutions. I've heard a lot of nothing...

all you had to do was ask...

we need small businesses, plain and simple. we need to be the ones producing quality goods and services in our communities. we need networks of local entrepreneurs who support each others economic endeavors and make contractual commitments to buy and sell from each other consistently.

organizing economically on a local level is basic economics, and everybody eats in this system, thats historical fact. look in every major city and you will see the principles of community economics. you see a chinatown getting money through community economics, you see the jews getting money through community economics, you see the latinos and west africans getting money through community economics.

you think those groups are talking more about which politician they're gonna back in office, or which family member is next to get that business permit? or to get that vendors license?

you see the evidence and benefits of community economics all around you being practiced by other groups, we still playing catch up.

i know its hard to hear these truths about your beloved political process.. i know you had your hopes up four years ago when you were going door to door advocating for a leader you believed in, trying your best to convince people to believe in him too... only to see him turn around and do the same shyt his predecessors did, in bed with the same big time financial institutions, and still dropping bombs on colored babies in acts of american imperialism..... i know.... i know it hurts

and i actually like obama. i think he's doing the best he can to be humane in his role as the head of the beast... but at the end of the day its still the fukking beast so its still going to eat, and there is nothing that you or any other registered voter can do about it.... because remember this, there is no honor in this game, these muthafukkas do not play by the rules, if they cant win the elections fair, they'll cheat and try to steal it, and best believe if that dont work the beast has no problem escalating into violence, and we have 6000 years of proof to back that up. then what are you going to do negro?

not a muthafukking thing.




energy spent versus potential gains.... get money my man