Bill Cosby truth thread UPDATE: Found guilty on all charges 4/26

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's because Cosby has been rich, famous and successful for multiple decades

That's not your reality, so it would make sense that you couldn't really understand what's been happening to him

Far more powerful and wealthy men have done worse

 

[xCivicx]

Far more powerful and wealthy men have done worse

Yeah and a lot of them are still walking around right now, NOT being shyt on by the media at every turn(Weinstein for example)

Why Cosby?

 

[Benefited]

It may not have been realistic compared to now, but it sure was uplifting and still was realistic, because they had problems, kids cutting up, health problems, racism, all that shyt. I think the only I agree with you is terms of social media and phones, but parenting means restricting your kids from that shyt. No grade school kid should have a cell phone. You have to monitor what your kids are watching. What Cosby was saying was that we need to stop thinking and acting like single parenting is an acceptable norm devoid of consequences. Cosby was talking about trying to end the cycle of single mother, single grandmother, single great grandmother households where no man is present, so all you have is female energy running a household; and that really doesn't put kids in the best situation in life. Kids need that man in their lives that will tell them that they don't need to steal because he can get them whatever they need.
All that women can do it by themselves is white liberal women lying to Black women. Meanwhile all of the commercials out now show Black women with white men and mixed kids....basically pushing the agenda that Black men aint shyt. Because you sure in the hell don't see any commercials with Black men with white women with mixed kids.

Stats show that kids from 2 parent households tend to fare better, now there are exceptions; but I don't think we should live our lives using exceptions to explain everything or to discount what Cosby was saying.

Its not the norm but its the reality. Everything changes parenting wise when that is the reality. The ability to fully parent is comprimised when that is the situation often times. Shaming single mothers helps no one,unless you can get single mothers to understand where they were wrong,and make sure they don't raise kids who become,or create more single mothers. Or make it to where its not the norm,or applauded in todays society

Agree with everything you said about these commercials,I'm glad people are starting to see it. Don't push your hollywood norms and agendas on the rest of us. Beautiful black women with beastly white men aren't the norm anywhere I've been.

 

[jackson35]

Its not the norm but its the reality. Everything changes parenting wise when that is the reality. The ability to fully parent is comprimised when that is the situation often times. Shaming single mothers helps no one,unless you can get single mothers to understand where they were wrong,and make sure they don't raise kids who become,or create more single mothers. Or make it to where its not the norm,or applauded in todays society

Agree with everything you said about these commercials,I'm glad people are starting to see it. Don't push your hollywood norms and agendas on the rest of us. Beautiful black women with beastly white men aren't the norm anywhere I've been.

the message wasn't for single moims. the message was for the community to unite to deal with that challenge. mr cosby presentation is a little off

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

@Retired @So You Mad @JLova @Hungerpain @stomachlines @Luken @General Bravo III

dikk policing 24/7

 

[Gravity]

How many Black people that are 60ish-70ish have you actually talked to? Do you know actual people who don't subscribe to what Cosby said, or are you referring to the Micheal Eric Dysons (even though he's not Cosby's age) of the world, who are basically enablers.

Dude, how old do you think Farrakahn is? How old was dikk Gregory when he passed? Paul Mooney is 70+. Newly Fuller is damn near 90. I’ve personally known several older black men(in my family) who kept it real and wasn’t on that Cosby shyt. You’re making weak excuses.

And to man, you're correct in some aspect about white racism, but here's what's unique about being Black and having to live Black experiences........
(it actually can be both conditions interacting with each other at the same damn time) So yes, Cosby saying racism isn't the problem is short sighted, but to act as if the current Black culture among the younger generation is something to behold and tout as the standard by which we should all live by and avoid criticizing is foolish and does a disservice to Black people as a whole.

No, Cosby’s take isn’t just short-sighted it’s c00n shyt. You’re trying to sugarcoat it like Cosby is some young ignorant cat who meant well but just didn’t know any better. Nah, Cosby knew exactly what he was doing with that pound cake speech. That speech wasn’t a constructive criticism made out of love for blacks. It was dishonest pandering to whites out of contempt for blacks. The fact that Cosby never bothered to clarify his position and engage blacks who pushed back against his speech is proof of that. Several respected blacks took the time to break down cosby’s speech explaining why it was problematic and he didn’t acknowledge any of the valid push back and that’s because the speech wasn’t for us. Cosby’s speech was for white people on some “we ain’t all good for nothing ******s..........us respectable blacks hate ‘em too”

I terms of talking points by the alt-right, that's what they do, it's what white people, alt right and liberal have done since the beginning. But here's another anecdote; if I have multiple kids by multiple mothers, I dress like a half-homo and just commit crime for shyts and giggles and someone decides to criticize me, they would be justified in doing so, because how I'm living my life is not socially acceptable; be it Black or white.

The criticism would only be valid if it’s in the context of calling out the systematic white supremacy that has conditioned you to be dysfunctional. You keep trying to set up this fake straw man position of defending ignorant and dysfunctional behavior and project it on me. I don’t defend ignorance and dysfunction. I’m saying that there’s a system in place to breed ignorance and dysfunction amongst blacks. If you’re not going to talk about the cause of a problem then don’t complain about the results of the problem. The problem is white supremacy and ignorant dysfunctional behavior amongst blacks is a product of that problem.

The most important thing is that Black people as a whole, we have to stop looking for white validation. The reason why asians do well is because they don't have a need to fukk with white people except on a business level. Can we make money together? No? okay get the fukk out my way white boy because you're wasting my time.

So again, I'll admit that you're right in terms of how Cosby addresses racism in a way that let's white people off the hook to easily. But I will say that white people try their damnedest to discredit Black people who have something to say that they feel may eventually have a positive impact on Black people.

Cosby’s speech didn’t have a positive impact on blacks and nobody who has ever had his point of view has ever had a positive impact on blacks.

Whites applauded Cosby for his speech and they applaud any black person who talks that “it ain’t white racism it’s us” bullshyt. Cosby isn’t being taken down because he’s a threat, whites are taking him down simply because they can. They’ve gone and will continue to go after all black icons. The pattern is to obvious to ignore at this point.

Having said all that, I still don’t hesitate to side with Cosby against whites and the way that they’re using their system to destroy him despite him being a c00n.

 

[JahBuhLun]

Dude, how old do you think Farrakahn is? How old was dikk Gregory when he passed? Paul Mooney is 70+. Newly Fuller is damn near 90. I’ve personally known several older black men(in my family) who kept it real and wasn’t on that Cosby shyt. You’re making weak excuses.

No, Cosby’s take isn’t just short-sighted it’s c00n shyt. You’re trying to sugarcoat it like Cosby is some young ignorant cat who meant well but just didn’t know any better. Nah, Cosby knew exactly what he was doing with that pound cake speech. That speech wasn’t a constructive criticism made out of love for blacks. It was dishonest pandering to whites out of contempt for blacks. The fact that Cosby never bothered to clarify his position and engage blacks who pushed back against his speech is proof of that. Several respected blacks took the time to break down cosby’s speech explaining why it was problematic and he didn’t acknowledge any of the valid push back and that’s because the speech wasn’t for us. Cosby’s speech was for white people on some “we ain’t all good for nothing ******s..........us respectable blacks hate ‘em too”

The criticism would only be valid if it’s in the context of calling out the systematic white supremacy that has conditioned you to be dysfunctional. You keep trying to set up this fake straw man position of defending ignorant and dysfunctional behavior and project it on me. I don’t defend ignorance and dysfunction. I’m saying that there’s a system in place to breed ignorance and dysfunction amongst blacks. If you’re not going to talk about the cause of a problem then don’t complain about the results of the problem. The problem is white supremacy and ignorant dysfunctional behavior amongst blacks is a product of that problem.

Cosby’s speech didn’t have a positive impact on blacks and nobody who has ever had his point of view has ever had a positive impact on blacks.

Whites applauded Cosby for his speech and they applaud any black person who talks that “it ain’t white racism it’s us” bullshyt. Cosby isn’t being taken down because he’s a threat, whites are taking him down simply because they can. They’ve gone and will continue to go after all black icons. The pattern is to obvious to ignore at this point.

Having said all that, I still don’t hesitate to side with Cosby against whites and the way that they’re using their system to destroy him despite him being a c00n.

Farrakhan has been critical of the Black community, so has dikk Gregory and Neely Fuller, so you're absolutely wrong with that narrative right off the bat. They may not have done it how Cosby done it, but a critique is a critique. Trust me, more older Black people agree with what Cosby was saying; you're family excluded, but if you think it shouldn't have been said, then that's a problem unto itself to be honest.

If you see that pound cake speech as white pandering, then you're being completely and wholly myopic. It's like you're being angry at what he said for no valid reason. Why would Bill Cosby have to address anybody critical of his speech. None them done as much for Black people as he has; he gave Spelman, a Black college 20 million dollars, I repeat, 20, and that's just one college. So if that's c00n shyt, so be it.

The problem is white supremacy, but that's the problem with everything in the world. So by you saying that, you don't leave any room for personal accountability.
The white man can beat me down constantly with no let up; but if I go a rob my neighbor, or kill another Black man, or rape his wife and sell drugs to his kids, that's not all on white supremacy. That's me making a choice that has negative consequences all around. Point being, white supremacy can stall you, but it can't stop you unless you allow it to. No different than white people blaming Blacks and Mexicans for all their problems.

At the end of the day, Cosby was pushing for education, strong family structure and personal accountability. That's not c00n shyt by any means.

I wasn't painting Cosby as being ignorant, being short-sighted means you really only see your point and way of making that point, as the only way. I actually agreed with you on that point, yet you still wanted to attack it because of whatever reason.

 

[xCivicx]

I might start @ing people to this thread and pulling up their old goofy disrespectful quotes about Cosby

 

[Gravity]

Farrakhan has been critical of the Black community, so has dikk Gregory and Neely Fuller, so you're absolutely wrong with that narrative right off the bat. They may not have done it how Cosby done it, but a critique is a critique. Trust me, more older Black people agree with what Cosby was saying; you're family excluded, but if you think it shouldn't have been said, then that's a problem unto itself to be honest.

You’re being dishonest for no reason. It’s weak of you to keep misrepresenting what I’m saying just to try and validate your bullshyt.

I have not said or implied that black people are above criticism. I’ve made it clear that I call Cosby out for criticizing blacks in the context of defending white supremacy. I don’t have a problem with him criticizing black people, I have a problem with him absolving systematic white supremacy. I’ve made that more than clear dude. Neither Farrakahn, Neely Fuller or any of the other people that I named have come out and criticized black people while absolving white supremacy. That’s the whole point.

I’ll stop there because I don’t respect the sneaky dishonesty and this will just lead to a bunch of insults.

 

[JahBuhLun]

You’re being dishonest for no reason. It’s weak of you to keep misrepresenting what I’m saying just to try and validate your bullshyt.

I have not said or implied that black people are above criticism. I’ve made it clear that I call Cosby out for criticizing blacks in the context of defending white supremacy. I don’t have a problem with him criticizing black people, I have a problem with him absolving systematic white supremacy. I’ve made that more than clear dude. Neither Farrakahn, Neely Fuller or any of the other people that I named have come out and criticized black people while absolving white supremacy. That’s the whole point.

I’ll stop there because I don’t respect the sneaky dishonesty and this will just lead to a bunch of insults.

Any insults will come from your end, I have no need to insult, because I agree with the majority of your posts, this is a point we disagree on. What I done was take what you said and made it a talking point, it wasn't sneaky, you just wasn't thorough and I picked up on the fact that you didn't flesh out your talking point so I wouldn't have any room for a rebuttal. That's what debate is about. I told you I agreed with your point that Cosby was letting the effects of white supremacy off easy. You claimed I was letting Cosby's "ignorance" slide, I never claimed Cosby was ignorant, that's your interpretation. I wasn't being dishonest, I was giving your points the proper respect and critical examination that they deserve, because they have merit, we just don't agree with how much merit your points should garner. Me picking up on a point that you overlooked or failed to mention doesn't reflect poorly on you at all.

I respect you as a critical thinker on here, so like I said, name calling and insults would only sully and diminish the debate. We don't agree on this as a whole, there's an aspect I agree with you; There's nothing wrong with disagreeing.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

So he innocent????

 

[Calmye]

Why aren't the updates in the op though

 

[Calmye]

Dude, how old do you think Farrakahn is? How old was dikk Gregory when he passed? Paul Mooney is 70+. Newly Fuller is damn near 90. I’ve personally known several older black men(in my family) who kept it real and wasn’t on that Cosby shyt. You’re making weak excuses.

No, Cosby’s take isn’t just short-sighted it’s c00n shyt. You’re trying to sugarcoat it like Cosby is some young ignorant cat who meant well but just didn’t know any better. Nah, Cosby knew exactly what he was doing with that pound cake speech. That speech wasn’t a constructive criticism made out of love for blacks. It was dishonest pandering to whites out of contempt for blacks. The fact that Cosby never bothered to clarify his position and engage blacks who pushed back against his speech is proof of that. Several respected blacks took the time to break down cosby’s speech explaining why it was problematic and he didn’t acknowledge any of the valid push back and that’s because the speech wasn’t for us. Cosby’s speech was for white people on some “we ain’t all good for nothing ******s..........us respectable blacks hate ‘em too”

The criticism would only be valid if it’s in the context of calling out the systematic white supremacy that has conditioned you to be dysfunctional. You keep trying to set up this fake straw man position of defending ignorant and dysfunctional behavior and project it on me. I don’t defend ignorance and dysfunction. I’m saying that there’s a system in place to breed ignorance and dysfunction amongst blacks. If you’re not going to talk about the cause of a problem then don’t complain about the results of the problem. The problem is white supremacy and ignorant dysfunctional behavior amongst blacks is a product of that problem.

Cosby’s speech didn’t have a positive impact on blacks and nobody who has ever had his point of view has ever had a positive impact on blacks.

Whites applauded Cosby for his speech and they applaud any black person who talks that “it ain’t white racism it’s us” bullshyt. Cosby isn’t being taken down because he’s a threat, whites are taking him down simply because they can. They’ve gone and will continue to go after all black icons. The pattern is to obvious to ignore at this point.

Having said all that, I still don’t hesitate to side with Cosby against whites and the way that they’re using their system to destroy him despite him being a c00n.

The thing is Breh. How ever you feel about Cosby is relevant. This case is a legit look at how a black man can have everything ripped from him by the system with help of course from black men and women.

 

[Nintendough]

Yeah and a lot of them are still walking around right now, NOT being shyt on by the media at every turn(Weinstein for example)

Why Cosby?

Because Cosby dared to be a black man who reached for the brass rings.

 

[Lord Scion]

Even Amazon and Netflix know Cos is innocent



Amazon Prime adds all 8 seasons of The Cosby Show to it's platform – YC.NEWS

Cosby Show BEEN on Amazon Prime

Been watching that and Different World for a while now.

Netflix is new tho