Biggest waste of talent in rap history?

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Although he was overall successful, I always thought Method Man would be bigger.

People forget about '93/94/95, he was on a level with Biggie, Nas, Pac, Snoop. He should've ended up with that level of success

Answer is L. Boogie. Female emcees are straight up cursed.

They're not cursed, the industry just doesn't know how to market them. If a chick has skills, but is kinda cute, they try to turn her into a sex symbol, even if that's not her, like they did with Lauryn. If a chick is ugly, they just say .

That's just flat out corporate sexism, str8 up.

This could end the thread.

I heard his tape and thought he was the most magnificent rapper I'd ever heard. I thought he'd sell 9,000,0000 records and be on MTV.

Part of me still does

Here's my ones.

Grand Daddy IU, Craig Mack, Bo$$ (Detroit female rapper), Ant Banks, Steady B, Cool C, Champtown MC, Papoose, Mashdona, Champ MC, Papa Chuk, Jayo Felony, Mel-Low, RBX, Lady of Rage, Soopafly, Daz, Webbie, Max B, and Remy Ma.

Yeah, Bo$$ was dope and she was so fine, but they hid her under all those gangster clothes, which made her even more to me, but then she got exposed in the Wall-Street Journal as having went to like an expensive college and came from a good family and that ruined her career. Back in those days people were obsessed with that shyt, especially if you were doing gangsta shyt.

Craig Mack was just to ugly, I'm sorry. I'm not gay and I don't generally judge nikkaz look, but that nikka made you wanna turn off the TV when he was on that shyt. Jigga be in the corner lookin at that nikka like .

RBX, Rage, Soopafly, and Daz were all people who just were lost after Death Row.

I still say Rage is the greatest female MC I've heard.

 

[CASHAPP]

People forget about '93/94/95, he was on a level with Biggie, Nas, Pac, Snoop. He should've ended up with that level of success



They're not cursed, the industry just doesn't know how to market them. If a chick has skills, but is kinda cute, they try to turn her into a sex symbol, even if that's not her, like they did with Lauryn. If a chick is ugly, they just say .

That's just flat out corporate sexism, str8 up.



This could end the thread.

I heard his tape and thought he was the most magnificent rapper I'd ever heard. I thought he'd sell 9,000,0000 records and be on MTV.

Part of me still does



Yeah, Bo$$ was dope and she was so fine, but they hid her under all those gangster clothes, which made her even more to me, but then she got exposed in the Wall-Street Journal as having went to like an expensive college and came from a good family and that ruined her career. Back in those days people were obsessed with that shyt, especially if you were doing gangsta shyt.

Craig Mack was just to ugly, I'm sorry. I'm not gay and I don't generally judge nikkaz look, but that nikka made you wanna turn off the TV when he was on that shyt. Jigga be in the corner lookin at that nikka like .

RBX, Rage, Soopafly, and Daz were all people who just were lost after Death Row.

I still say Rage is the greatest female MC I've heard.

I don't think marketing is as big a reason as you may say. People talk about Lauryn all the time but lets remember there are other female emcees that this happens with. Foxy Brown also has not released an album in almost 15 years. This is why I said it seems to be straight up bad luck and being cursed that this happens. I mean can we really say marketing when before they all had these long breaks from the game....they all were insanely popular?

When Missy was gone from the game for like 7 years it was for personal reasons and health issues....that was not a marketing issue. Lauryn wanted to leave to fully take care of her kids in her family home in Jersey and not be in the spotlight for a bit, Foxy seems like she got blacklisted for too much drama and beef with everyone and now spends her time taking pics of herself in the mirror on Instagram as if she is a chick in high school and not a famous music artist...Kim is in 2015 still doing the same exact things and not trying to invent herself....

None of these examples seem to involve marketing really....Yo breh something else i was thinking of...you notice that on a mainstream level it seems Lyte and Missy are literally the only female emcees(on a mainstream level) with six albums or more? this is exactly what im talking about

 

[28 Gramz]

Young Dro could have easily been on that Jeezy/Gucci level if he kept his shyt straight.

Dude was a flat out better rapper than TI at one point.

 

[Mixerr Reviews]

People forget about '93/94/95, he was on a level with Biggie, Nas, Pac, Snoop. He should've ended up with that level of success



They're not cursed, the industry just doesn't know how to market them. If a chick has skills, but is kinda cute, they try to turn her into a sex symbol, even if that's not her, like they did with Lauryn. If a chick is ugly, they just say .

That's just flat out corporate sexism, str8 up.



This could end the thread.

I heard his tape and thought he was the most magnificent rapper I'd ever heard. I thought he'd sell 9,000,0000 records and be on MTV.

Part of me still does



Yeah, Bo$$ was dope and she was so fine, but they hid her under all those gangster clothes, which made her even more to me, but then she got exposed in the Wall-Street Journal as having went to like an expensive college and came from a good family and that ruined her career. Back in those days people were obsessed with that shyt, especially if you were doing gangsta shyt.

Craig Mack was just to ugly, I'm sorry. I'm not gay and I don't generally judge nikkaz look, but that nikka made you wanna turn off the TV when he was on that shyt. Jigga be in the corner lookin at that nikka like .

RBX, Rage, Soopafly, and Daz were all people who just were lost after Death Row.

I still say Rage is the greatest female MC I've heard.

Bo$$ killed her career when she exposed her background on national television and Wall Street Journal exposed her. After that Def Jam stopped accepting demos from Bo$$. Bo$$ confirmed that she recorded material for a second album in one of her interviews. It wasn't ok to be a studio gangster back then like it is today.

Rage, RBX, Daz were all a victim of bad timing due to musical styles shifts and culture changes in the fast paced music industry. Rage just got a raw deal. Take Trinidad James for example. Def Jam stopped messing with him because his music wasn't really selling.


What is your take on all the other artists I listed?
[Grand Daddy IU, Ant Banks, Steady B, Cool C, Champtown MC, Papoose, Mashdona, Champ MC, Papa Chuk, Jayo Felony, Mel-Low, Webbie, Max B, and Remy Ma.]

 

[Brosef]

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Canibus
Papoose
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[The Amerikkkan Idol]

I don't think marketing is as big a reason as you may say. People talk about Lauryn all the time but lets remember there are other female emcees that this happens with. Foxy Brown also has not released an album in almost 15 years. This is why I said it seems to be straight up bad luck and being cursed that this happens. I mean can we really say marketing when before they all had these long breaks from the game....they all were insanely popular?

When Missy was gone from the game for like 7 years it was for personal reasons and health issues....that was not a marketing issue. Lauryn wanted to leave to fully take care of her kids in her family home in Jersey and not be in the spotlight for a bit, Foxy seems like she got blacklisted for too much drama and beef with everyone and now spends her time taking pics of herself in the mirror on Instagram as if she is a chick in high school and not a famous music artist...Kim is in 2015 still doing the same exact things and not trying to invent herself....

None of these examples seem to involve marketing really....Yo breh something else i was thinking of...you notice that on a mainstream level it seems Lyte and Missy are literally the only female emcees(on a mainstream level) with six albums or more? this is exactly what im talking about

I get what you're saying, but let's look at Lauryn. Everybody did everything they could to separate her from Pras and Clef because she was an attractive woman and that talented. Then, she didn't want to be seen as a studio puppet of producers, so she actually went out of her way to take credit for her music, which ended up getting her in trouble when her collaborators started calling her out for taking more credit for "Miseducation" than she deserved.

The industry put her on a pedastal, the same way they do Beyonce now, or how they did Alicia Keys like 13 or 14 years ago, but Lauryn's an MC, she wasn't supposed to be that.

I think that fukked with her head. All that shyt they do to the women fukks with their heads in that industry. I mean, they fukk with the men's heads too, but it's even worst for young women, I think.

Kim was propped up by Biggie. He wrote her rhymes. There's all kinds of demos on YouTube and shyt of Biggie rapping all of her verses (even the shyt about suckin' dikk). Kim is lucky to have had as long a career as she had.

Foxy's just crazy. She was 15 years old at the time and the industry did that to her.

But I still say the pressure on them is different because their appearance is such a big part of their act. I'm seeing this with Nicki Minaj and Iggy Azalea now. They not only have to be performers, they have to be models and that means cosmetic surgery (which Kim OD'd on) and who knows what kind of diets and trainers, etc. . . that male MC's don't need.

They didn't let Bahamadia and Champ MC get any real shine for a reason.

They even turned Da Brat sexy after her first album.

Missy lost all that weight. Now, I'm not saying that her health had nothing to do with it, but also, she had to have been told over and over again about her weight.

I'm no generally about women's issues, but when it comes to women in Hip-Hop, it's a fukkin' landmine out there.

Bo$$ killed her career when she exposed her background on national television and Wall Street Journal exposed her. After that Def Jam stopped accepting demos from Bo$$. Bo$$ confirmed that she recorded material for a second album in one of her interviews. It wasn't ok to be a studio gangster back then like it is today.

Rage, RBX, Daz were all a victim of bad timing due to musical styles shifts and culture changes in the fast paced music industry. Rage just got a raw deal. Take Trinidad James for example. Def Jam stopped messing with him because his music wasn't really selling.


What is your take on all the other artists I listed?
[Grand Daddy IU, Ant Banks, Steady B, Cool C, Champtown MC, Papoose, Mashdona, Champ MC, Papa Chuk, Jayo Felony, Mel-Low, Webbie, Max B, and Remy Ma.]

fukk, I don't even know what happened with I.U. , I had totally forgot about that dude. He was just one of those guys that came from the Juice Crew at the wrong time. They had their heyday from like '86-'89 and after that, all them nikkaz, Biz, Kane, Shante, Craig G. they just were kind of lost

Ant Banks was a talented motherfukker especially on the production tip. I think that dude was better when he was producing for people like Short and Spice 1 and them. I don't know if he was ever gonna be mainstream though with his funk style. He still makes music

Steady B. & Cool C. you know got locked up for that robbery and are on death row. I know they were supposed to execute Cool C. a few months ago, so I don't even know if they did (just wikipedia'd it and no, he's still alive).

Ha, Champtown, just needed that one hit, but he was just ahead of his time. Eminem ate off him and blew him off, but I think they squashed it, eventually tho.

Papoose, now you're taking me back. I remember on SOHH, there used to be this nikka who used to stan him and say that the "Nascirema Dream" was gonna change rap. One of my SOHH cats on here are gonna have to remind me of who that dude was, but he used to always talk about how the label was fukkin over tthat dude, so I think industry politics did that nikka in. He was so sure that nikka was gonna blow.

Champ MC was what I was talking about with the dude above. She was a female MC who had skills, but since she wasn't that attractive, she had a ceiling.

Papa Chuk was a victim of not being from the West Coast. In like '93/''94, it was hard for a lot of nikkaz who weren't "boom bap" east coast cats to overcome that Death Row juggernaut. You had to be great to overcome that.

I don't know what happened with Jayo Felony. That nikka was supposed to blow. When he did that joint with Method Man and them I thought he was gonna be like large, but he was one of the few "gangsta rappers" that was a legit gangsta rapper. The industry don't always let real nikkaz through.

Damn, Mel low? You must be from the old school, bruh. Yeah, I barely remembered him. That brings back some good ass Rap City memories. Anyway. He was on Def Jam when they were pushing Warren G. real hard. I think him & South Central Cartel got left behind because they really didn't know a damned thing about gangsta rap. If you think about it, NONE of the gangsta rappers on Def Jam had any long term success. Not Jayo Felony, not South Central Cartel, not the Twinz, or even Warren G., even though he saved their label from bankruptcy with "Regulate".

Yeah, I never fukked with Webbie or Remy or Max B.

I'm much more of a '90s Hip-Hop head.

 

[KEEPITTRILLA]

Max B, Mac and spaceghostpurrp for sure. Also a lot of Houston dudes though successful locally should've been huge in all of hip hop, slim thug should've had a long run on top

 

[Mixerr Reviews]

I get what you're saying, but let's look at Lauryn. Everybody did everything they could to separate her from Pras and Clef because she was an attractive woman and that talented. Then, she didn't want to be seen as a studio puppet of producers, so she actually went out of her way to take credit for her music, which ended up getting her in trouble when her collaborators started calling her out for taking more credit for "Miseducation" than she deserved.

The industry put her on a pedastal, the same way they do Beyonce now, or how they did Alicia Keys like 13 or 14 years ago, but Lauryn's an MC, she wasn't supposed to be that.

I think that fukked with her head. All that shyt they do to the women fukks with their heads in that industry. I mean, they fukk with the men's heads too, but it's even worst for young women, I think.

Kim was propped up by Biggie. He wrote her rhymes. There's all kinds of demos on YouTube and shyt of Biggie rapping all of her verses (even the shyt about suckin' dikk). Kim is lucky to have had as long a career as she had.

Foxy's just crazy. She was 15 years old at the time and the industry did that to her.

But I still say the pressure on them is different because their appearance is such a big part of their act. I'm seeing this with Nicki Minaj and Iggy Azalea now. They not only have to be performers, they have to be models and that means cosmetic surgery (which Kim OD'd on) and who knows what kind of diets and trainers, etc. . . that male MC's don't need.

They didn't let Bahamadia and Champ MC get any real shine for a reason.

They even turned Da Brat sexy after her first album.

Missy lost all that weight. Now, I'm not saying that her health had nothing to do with it, but also, she had to have been told over and over again about her weight.

I'm no generally about women's issues, but when it comes to women in Hip-Hop, it's a fukkin' landmine out there.




fukk, I don't even know what happened with I.U. , I had totally forgot about that dude. He was just one of those guys that came from the Juice Crew at the wrong time. They had their heyday from like '86-'89 and after that, all them nikkaz, Biz, Kane, Shante, Craig G. they just were kind of lost

Ant Banks was a talented motherfukker especially on the production tip. I think that dude was better when he was producing for people like Short and Spice 1 and them. I don't know if he was ever gonna be mainstream though with his funk style. He still makes music

Steady B. & Cool C. you know got locked up for that robbery and are on death row. I know they were supposed to execute Cool C. a few months ago, so I don't even know if they did (just wikipedia'd it and no, he's still alive).

Ha, Champtown, just needed that one hit, but he was just ahead of his time. Eminem ate off him and blew him off, but I think they squashed it, eventually tho.

Papoose, now you're taking me back. I remember on SOHH, there used to be this nikka who used to stan him and say that the "Nascirema Dream" was gonna change rap. One of my SOHH cats on here are gonna have to remind me of who that dude was, but he used to always talk about how the label was fukkin over tthat dude, so I think industry politics did that nikka in. He was so sure that nikka was gonna blow.

Champ MC was what I was talking about with the dude above. She was a female MC who had skills, but since she wasn't that attractive, she had a ceiling.

Papa Chuk was a victim of not being from the West Coast. In like '93/''94, it was hard for a lot of nikkaz who weren't "boom bap" east coast cats to overcome that Death Row juggernaut. You had to be great to overcome that.

I don't know what happened with Jayo Felony. That nikka was supposed to blow. When he did that joint with Method Man and them I thought he was gonna be like large, but he was one of the few "gangsta rappers" that was a legit gangsta rapper. The industry don't always let real nikkaz through.

Damn, Mel low? You must be from the old school, bruh. Yeah, I barely remembered him. That brings back some good ass Rap City memories. Anyway. He was on Def Jam when they were pushing Warren G. real hard. I think him & South Central Cartel got left behind because they really didn't know a damned thing about gangsta rap. If you think about it, NONE of the gangsta rappers on Def Jam had any long term success. Not Jayo Felony, not South Central Cartel, not the Twinz, or even Warren G., even though he saved their label from bankruptcy with "Regulate".

Yeah, I never fukked with Webbie or Remy or Max B.

I'm much more of a '90s Hip-Hop head.

I was raised in the transition era from old school to new school. That's why I mentioned a bunch of obscure rappers. Born in 1993. That's why.

I agree that a lot of the rappers I had mention came out at the wrong time. Ant Banks went onto sell real estate in Arizona. Ant Banks was talented and he had made a lot of smart business moves and decisions. Ant Banks was almost close to becoming mainstream if he had stayed consistent enough.

Champtown was just ahead of his time. People was just scared of him. He needed that proper distribution outlet and push.

Warren G and Jayo Felony are the exceptions of the gangsta rappers on Def Jam having any long term success. Look at Warren G. He's a highly requested producer. Warren G has made so many classics over the years to come. Jayo Felony fell off after 2001 though. Although he released the dope ass album Blocc Party in 2012. Def Jam didn't really know a damned thing about gangsta rap.

 

[Animal House]

shyheim the rugged child

Manchild

 

[Animal House]

Saigon. That first mixtape was classic signed with Atlantic and was never the same. Mic Geronimo, Oc, Royal Flush. Those nikkas dropped some serious fire in the 90's and faded away

 

[Bunko]

Saigon. That first mixtape was classic signed with Atlantic and was never the same. Mic Geronimo, Oc, Royal Flush. Those nikkas dropped some serious fire in the 90's and faded away

I always wonder what the fukk happened to Saigon?

 

[Da_Eggman]

The last emperor

 

[straightcash]

The last emperor

Who's that?

 

[Da_Eggman]

Who's that?

 

[Why-Fi]

man...peedi crack. dude was so much better than nikkas that came out instead