Here's where that falls apart tho'... his big push would've been botched by leaving him off TV for AT LEAST 4 months. Because regular viewers who don't go to indy shows (or even pay attention to them) wouldn't know about any of that shyt and only see Cena or whoever was on TV and at the arenas every week. In reality, a company keeping its hottest wrestler off of TV for months at a time would've cooled him down much more than some 4-week program with HHH and Nash did. Sure, they COULD'VE done it, but by the time he came back, shyt would've moved along. Same reason they COULD'VE done an angle where Austin really was "fired" and stayed off of TV for weeks/months to sell it, but it would've been the most lateral move they could make... so they didn't. Gota strike while the iron's hot. The Punk shyt became a mess when Nash/HHH got involved and then he was teaming with HHH against Truth & Miz and all types of shyt... but that stay off TV idea would've been a much worse move.
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Here's where that falls apart tho'... his big push would've been botched by leaving him off TV for AT LEAST 4 months. Because regular viewers who don't go to indy shows (or even pay attention to them) wouldn't know about any of that shyt and only see Cena or whoever was on TV and at the arenas every week. In reality, a company keeping its hottest wrestler off of TV for months at a time would've cooled him down much more than some 4-week program with HHH and Nash did. Sure, they COULD'VE done it, but by the time he came back, shyt would've moved along. Same reason they COULD'VE done an angle where Austin really was "fired" and stayed off of TV for weeks/months to sell it, but it would've been the most lateral move they could make... so they didn't. Gota strike while the iron's hot. The Punk shyt became a mess when Nash/HHH got involved and then he was teaming with HHH against Truth & Miz and all types of shyt... but that stay off TV idea would've been a much worse move.
GoddamnyamanProf
Countdown to Armageddon
Nothing was more "realism" than Punk's shoot on Raw. It was all anyone could talk about and actually got mainstream coverage and was the the biggest thing in wrestling in years. Made people that had stopped paying attention pay attention again. I know because Im one of em. You cant say "oh he got a year to prove himself" when thats not even entirely true and, as someone said, has almost nothing to do with that whole Summer of Punk run. He still excels at everything he does and has been one of the consistent bright spots in the fukkery but they really fukked up the hottest thing in years, pretty much for the same reasons they squashed Ryder. It was like "We like Punk and we def dont want him going somewhere else
...but we dont like him THAT much" *cue 
Nash and Paul Burier*Nothing was more "realism" than Punk's shoot on Raw. It was all anyone could talk about and actually got mainstream coverage and was the the biggest thing in wrestling in years. Made people that had stopped paying attention pay attention again. I know because Im one of em. You cant say "oh he got a year to prove himself" when thats not even entirely true and, as someone said, has almost nothing to do with that whole Summer of Punk run. He still excels at everything he does and has been one of the consistent bright spots in the fukkery but they really fukked up the hottest thing in years, pretty much for the same reasons they squashed Ryder. It was like "We like Punk and we def dont want him going somewhere else
I always got that same impression.
At the end of the day Punk still got paid but I feel we lost as wrestling fans
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
That shyt wouldn't have cooled him down at all because of HOW he left and how much controversy he created. As long as they brought him back in the right way he would have been fine.
In this day and age I think it's a GOOD thing for top stars to go away for awhile.
A good example of this would be Daniel Bryan. Dude had some serious buzz after the whole Nexus debut but got fired, worked indies briefly, had fans clamoring for him to return, and when he did return he was met with a great reaction. Dude wasn't even a top star and wasn't nearly as hot as Punk was at the start of his run.
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
Let's see...
-Burying the nexus and specifically wade barrett to get john cena over: Big fukk up. Yes, Wade was the only member worth a push but the fact was that Nexus was seen as a threat, were getting ratings and were over. The mistake here was making them look as a non threat as time went on. Cena getting owned and then getting his revenge was the right move that time imo, but the way they did it was full of mistakes and when Juanito finally "won" and beat Wade at TLC, all the heat was gone. After Summerslam it was one mistake after another and WWE trying to put band aids so they could ending in December.
-Pushing the Miz to the moon, ruining wrestlemania, and burying him therafter: I blame Miz here 100%. Before getting the MITB push he was doing very well and improving. He was getting better on the mic, he was at least decent in the ring and he was finally getting SOME heat from the crowd. Then WWE decides to go for it with the guy and this motherfukker goes back to being absolute trash. He fukking chocked.
-Pushing Jack Swagger prematurely, burying him, bringing him back, ruining wrestlemania (in progress):
-Burying red hot Daniel Bryan in 18 seconds to get the fukking brouge kick over: If they would've gave D-Bry and Fella 15 minutes to have a great WM match, Bryan would've ended up in the dreaded mid card limbo. Instead, he was made to look like a fool and the fans got pissed and he ended up 10x times more over than before. The fukk up was not giving him a little title run when he was feuding with Punk.
-Bringing back kevin nash to make bizzare cm punk/hhh/diesel fued with no payout to this day: Huge fukk up. So after a LONG ASS TIME wrestling had a spark, a very small one, but a spark nonetheless. So what does WWE do? Bring Punk back way too soon because they are afraid Summerslam is gonna bomb without him (turns out, Summerslam was a big failure anyway) and have him feud with Kevin Nash for no reason whatsoever. Look, it's very possible Punk was never going to be a big star regardless of how they booked him post-pipebomb but they sure as hell gave him no chance to try and see if the little spark he created could have lead them somewhere. Yes, he ended up fine after Survivor Series and has been their "1B" star to Cena's "1A" but they threw in the bushes something that was very intriguing and they did it for absolutely no reason.
-Using Zach Ryders organically grown heat to get eve and john cena over (who wasnt a heel?) Meh. Ryder was never going to be anything big. If we are honest about every Nexus member besides Wade not worth a damn, then we should be honest about Ryder not having enough to be anything more than a midcarder. He's not very good in the ring and he's not good at cutting promos either. Still, they could've at least made him a more successful Santino and buried him for the #fukkery and nothing else
-Misusing Brock Lesnar when he and cena had MOLTEN heat in may fukking up match with supercena finish: They fukked what could've been a HUGE Summerslam rematch but Brock is still gonna draw if they keep using him part time and making him destroy people every time he is on TV. They botched 1 big PPV buyrate IMO, nothing more.
-Using Randy Orton's constant heat to put over floundering bums like christian and swagger: This is actually one of the few good things they've done in the last few years. Orton's gonna be over no matter what but it's been already proven he wont ever be a superstar on Cena's level (same thing we now know about CM Punk) so WWE's been lucky that Randy is willing to do jobs and put other people over. He's been unmotivated as fukk in the last year but a win over him is still a big deal kayfabe wise.
-Insane misuse if Dolph Ziggler: I don't think Dolph could ever be a huge star. All these jobs he's been doing for the past 2 years wont hurt his chances of being a steady maineventer though, and that's all he can be...and that's fine with me
So yeah, the Nash thing clearly takes the cake for most
decision they've had in this Era.
-Burying the nexus and specifically wade barrett to get john cena over: Big fukk up. Yes, Wade was the only member worth a push but the fact was that Nexus was seen as a threat, were getting ratings and were over. The mistake here was making them look as a non threat as time went on. Cena getting owned and then getting his revenge was the right move that time imo, but the way they did it was full of mistakes and when Juanito finally "won" and beat Wade at TLC, all the heat was gone. After Summerslam it was one mistake after another and WWE trying to put band aids so they could ending in December.
-Pushing the Miz to the moon, ruining wrestlemania, and burying him therafter: I blame Miz here 100%. Before getting the MITB push he was doing very well and improving. He was getting better on the mic, he was at least decent in the ring and he was finally getting SOME heat from the crowd. Then WWE decides to go for it with the guy and this motherfukker goes back to being absolute trash. He fukking chocked.
-Pushing Jack Swagger prematurely, burying him, bringing him back, ruining wrestlemania (in progress):
-Burying red hot Daniel Bryan in 18 seconds to get the fukking brouge kick over: If they would've gave D-Bry and Fella 15 minutes to have a great WM match, Bryan would've ended up in the dreaded mid card limbo. Instead, he was made to look like a fool and the fans got pissed and he ended up 10x times more over than before. The fukk up was not giving him a little title run when he was feuding with Punk.
-Bringing back kevin nash to make bizzare cm punk/hhh/diesel fued with no payout to this day: Huge fukk up. So after a LONG ASS TIME wrestling had a spark, a very small one, but a spark nonetheless. So what does WWE do? Bring Punk back way too soon because they are afraid Summerslam is gonna bomb without him (turns out, Summerslam was a big failure anyway) and have him feud with Kevin Nash for no reason whatsoever. Look, it's very possible Punk was never going to be a big star regardless of how they booked him post-pipebomb but they sure as hell gave him no chance to try and see if the little spark he created could have lead them somewhere. Yes, he ended up fine after Survivor Series and has been their "1B" star to Cena's "1A" but they threw in the bushes something that was very intriguing and they did it for absolutely no reason.
-Using Zach Ryders organically grown heat to get eve and john cena over (who wasnt a heel?) Meh. Ryder was never going to be anything big. If we are honest about every Nexus member besides Wade not worth a damn, then we should be honest about Ryder not having enough to be anything more than a midcarder. He's not very good in the ring and he's not good at cutting promos either. Still, they could've at least made him a more successful Santino and buried him for the #fukkery and nothing else
-Misusing Brock Lesnar when he and cena had MOLTEN heat in may fukking up match with supercena finish: They fukked what could've been a HUGE Summerslam rematch but Brock is still gonna draw if they keep using him part time and making him destroy people every time he is on TV. They botched 1 big PPV buyrate IMO, nothing more.
-Using Randy Orton's constant heat to put over floundering bums like christian and swagger: This is actually one of the few good things they've done in the last few years. Orton's gonna be over no matter what but it's been already proven he wont ever be a superstar on Cena's level (same thing we now know about CM Punk) so WWE's been lucky that Randy is willing to do jobs and put other people over. He's been unmotivated as fukk in the last year but a win over him is still a big deal kayfabe wise.
-Insane misuse if Dolph Ziggler: I don't think Dolph could ever be a huge star. All these jobs he's been doing for the past 2 years wont hurt his chances of being a steady maineventer though, and that's all he can be...and that's fine with me
So yeah, the Nash thing clearly takes the cake for most
decision they've had in this Era.
Arrogance.
King Novak of Melbourne, the First of His Name
Nothing was more "realism" than Punk's shoot on Raw. It was all anyone could talk about and actually got mainstream coverage and was the the biggest thing in wrestling in years. Made people that had stopped paying attention pay attention again. I know because Im one of em. You cant say "oh he got a year to prove himself" when thats not even entirely true and, as someone said, has almost nothing to do with that whole Summer of Punk run. He still excels at everything he does and has been one of the consistent bright spots in the fukkery but they really fukked up the hottest thing in years, pretty much for the same reasons they squashed Ryder. It was like "We like Punk and we def dont want him going somewhere else
I always got that same impression.
At the end of the day Punk still got paid but I feel we lost as wrestling fans
So much truth in the bolded
They could have gone a few places with the Nash storyline and they decided the landfill.
"I sent the text, okay! I sent the text to myself!"
:belip:
That Nash shyt by a landslide.
Imagine if after Austin blew up with that 3:16 promo, they immediately threw him in angle where he got attacked by Bob Backlund every week, never got revenge, and then ultimately had a PPV match against Pat Patterson and lost clean.
shyt was just
It's clear to me now it was just hhh punishing punk for mentioning him, Vince and Stephanie in his promo . Remember how he tried to bring up cena and show what a real star was but the crowd booed and said cm punk
Omar Little
It’s all in the Game Yo
Daniel Bryan not getting that greenlight push
Codys Dashing/Dr.Doom Gimmick just dropped for no apparent reason
Codys Dashing/Dr.Doom Gimmick just dropped for no apparent reason
GoddamnyamanProf
Countdown to Armageddon
Disfigured Cody had TONS of untapped potential and directions the could've taken it in. That should've been a career-defining gimmick.He did those gimmicks for like a year each
Ya gotta move on
Yeah but Bryan was legit fired (at least to our knowledge), which made people clamor for his return because they felt he was wronged and deserved a second shot. Same way people wanted Matt Hardy back in '05.
Taking an extra-hot star off TV for 4 months (at least) for storyline purposes does nothing for that star, and it definitely doesn't build on their newfound buzz. I'm sure he would've come back to decent fanfare... but when you got something running that hot, you can't take a dude off TV and settle back into the norm for the next 4 months for the hell of it. That's just way too much of a "what if" situation and GUESSING that MAYBE people will give a fukk about him coming back with the title four months later. That's not to say The Nash/Punk/HHH shyt was great, but he was on TV and still hot until the BS that came out of it. And I actually think that without the Nash element, the HHH/Punk feud could've been good, cause they had some good moments with those face-offs and promos with each other. The Nash involvement was just pointless and sucked all the air out of it.
Let's see...
-Burying the nexus and specifically wade barrett to get john cena over: Big fukk up. Yes, Wade was the only member worth a push but the fact was that Nexus was seen as a threat, were getting ratings and were over. The mistake here was making them look as a non threat as time went on. Cena getting owned and then getting his revenge was the right move that time imo, but the way they did it was full of mistakes and when Juanito finally "won" and beat Wade at TLC, all the heat was gone. After Summerslam it was one mistake after another and WWE trying to put band aids so they could ending in December.
-Pushing the Miz to the moon, ruining wrestlemania, and burying him therafter: I blame Miz here 100%. Before getting the MITB push he was doing very well and improving. He was getting better on the mic, he was at least decent in the ring and he was finally getting SOME heat from the crowd. Then WWE decides to go for it with the guy and this motherfukker goes back to being absolute trash. He fukking chocked.
-Pushing Jack Swagger prematurely, burying him, bringing him back, ruining wrestlemania (in progress):
-Burying red hot Daniel Bryan in 18 seconds to get the fukking brouge kick over: If they would've gave D-Bry and Fella 15 minutes to have a great WM match, Bryan would've ended up in the dreaded mid card limbo. Instead, he was made to look like a fool and the fans got pissed and he ended up 10x times more over than before. The fukk up was not giving him a little title run when he was feuding with Punk.
-Bringing back kevin nash to make bizzare cm punk/hhh/diesel fued with no payout to this day: Huge fukk up. So after a LONG ASS TIME wrestling had a spark, a very small one, but a spark nonetheless. So what does WWE do? Bring Punk back way too soon because they are afraid Summerslam is gonna bomb without him (turns out, Summerslam was a big failure anyway) and have him feud with Kevin Nash for no reason whatsoever. Look, it's very possible Punk was never going to be a big star regardless of how they booked him post-pipebomb but they sure as hell gave him no chance to try and see if the little spark he created could have lead them somewhere. Yes, he ended up fine after Survivor Series and has been their "1B" star to Cena's "1A" but they threw in the bushes something that was very intriguing and they did it for absolutely no reason.
-Using Zach Ryders organically grown heat to get eve and john cena over (who wasnt a heel?) Meh. Ryder was never going to be anything big. If we are honest about every Nexus member besides Wade not worth a damn, then we should be honest about Ryder not having enough to be anything more than a midcarder. He's not very good in the ring and he's not good at cutting promos either. Still, they could've at least made him a more successful Santino and buried him for the #fukkery and nothing else
-Misusing Brock Lesnar when he and cena had MOLTEN heat in may fukking up match with supercena finish: They fukked what could've been a HUGE Summerslam rematch but Brock is still gonna draw if they keep using him part time and making him destroy people every time he is on TV. They botched 1 big PPV buyrate IMO, nothing more.
-Using Randy Orton's constant heat to put over floundering bums like christian and swagger: This is actually one of the few good things they've done in the last few years. Orton's gonna be over no matter what but it's been already proven he wont ever be a superstar on Cena's level (same thing we now know about CM Punk) so WWE's been lucky that Randy is willing to do jobs and put other people over. He's been unmotivated as fukk in the last year but a win over him is still a big deal kayfabe wise.
-Insane misuse if Dolph Ziggler: I don't think Dolph could ever be a huge star. All these jobs he's been doing for the past 2 years wont hurt his chances of being a steady maineventer though, and that's all he can be...and that's fine with me
So yeah, the Nash thing clearly takes the cake for most
The problem with the D Bry analysis is that he was gonna get cheered at Mania no matter what...I was there. They wanted to do it. The Yes signs were everywhere...would of got at least the third biggest ovation of the night.
I'm a huge Punk fan. The only reason I didn't vote for the Nash/Punk thing is because Punk recovered from it. The Barrage hasn't recovered from the Nexus burial and probably won't at least for a long while. They clearly set back a potential main eventer.
Jmare007
pico pal q lee
Yeah, the "YES" thing was slowly catching on in different cities and with Mania being filled with hardcore fans, he was over huge. But what made Bryan was the RAW after the PPV and I highly doubt Miami goes batshyt insane as they did if he just lost a competitive match the night prior.
At the end of the day. That 18 seconds loss elevated him in just 24 hrs to a level he would've taken a couple more PPVs with solid booking (something we know WWE ain't very good at) so as weird as it sounds, it was the best thing could've happened to him.
What they REALLY botched was not riding his post-Mania momentum and refusing to give him a WWE title run in the Summer. To me that's a way bigger fukk up than the job to Fella.
Shadow
Enjoy your life and loved ones.
Nash's return and the powerbomb to Punk was one of the most random things ever. It came out of absolutely nowhere.
Not to mention, "I got a text."
People were
for weeks.
"I sent the text to myself."
Then the entire roster straight up leaving on Raw.
Not to mention, "I got a text."
People were
for weeks."I sent the text to myself."
Then the entire roster straight up leaving on Raw.