Bible Verse: Deuteronomy 18:18
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^^^building off Proverbs 8
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Elephantine papyri - Wikipedia
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Proverbs 8:35-36
Anat - Wikipedia
Atef Crown represents Osiris (Wsjr) or simply as "God of the Dead"
Atef - Wikipedia
Osiris - Wikipedia
Why would a canaanite deity use Egyptian symbolism?
Anat-her - Wikipedia
Bonus
Anat - Wikipedia
Bronze figurine of Anat wearing an atef crown with arm raised (originally holding an axe or club), dated to 1400–1200 BC, found in Syria
Name in hieroglyphs
Symbol Atef Crown
Atef Crown represents Osiris (Wsjr) or simply as "God of the Dead"
Atef - Wikipedia
Osiris - Wikipedia
Why would a canaanite deity use Egyptian symbolism?
Anat-her - Wikipedia
Bonus
THE GREAT HYMN TO KHNUM -
from the Temple of Neith and Khnum at Iunyt/Latopolis
[Khnum enthroned modelling the Divine Child Ihy (identified with the King) on His potter's wheel; before Him the Frog-Goddess Heket, the Goddess of Birth, is represented assisting and blessing the creation; from the "House of Birth" of the Temple of Hathor at Iunet/Dendera]
"God of the Potter's Wheel,
Who settled the land by His handiwork,
Who joins in secret,
Who builds soundly,
Who nourishes the nestlings by the breath of His mouth;
Who drenches this land with Nun,
While the Round Sea and the Great Ocean surround Him.
He has fashioned Gods and human beings,
He has formed flocks and herds,
He made birds as well as fishes,
He created bulls, engendered cows,
He knotted the flow of blood to the bones,
Formed in His workshop as His handiwork,
So the breath of life is within everything,
Blood bound with semen in the bones,
To knit the bones from the start.
He makes women give birth when the womb is ready,
So as to open .... as he wishes;
He soothes suffering by His will,
Relieves throats, lets everyone breathe,
To give life to the young in the womb.
He made hair sprout and tresses grow,
Fastened the skin over the limbs;
He built the skull, formed the cheeks.
To furnish shape to the image.
He opened the eyes, hollowed the ears,
He made the body inhale air;
He formed the mouth for eating,
Made the throat for swallowing.
He also formed the tongue to speak,
The jaws to open, the gullet to drink,
The throat to swallow and spit.
The spine to give support,
The testicles to move,
The arm to act with vigor,
The rear to perform its task.
The gullet to devour,
Hands and their fingers to do their work,
The heart to lead,
The loins to support the phallus
In the act of begetting.
The frontal organs to consume things,
The rear to aerate the entrails,
Likewise to sit at ease,
And sustain the entrails at night.
The male member to beget,
The womb to conceive,
And increase generations in Egypt.
The bladder to make water,
The virile member to eject
When it swells between the thighs.
The shins to step,
The legs to tread,
Their bones doing their task,
By the will of His heart."
from the Temple of Neith and Khnum at Iunyt/Latopolis
[Khnum enthroned modelling the Divine Child Ihy (identified with the King) on His potter's wheel; before Him the Frog-Goddess Heket, the Goddess of Birth, is represented assisting and blessing the creation; from the "House of Birth" of the Temple of Hathor at Iunet/Dendera]
"God of the Potter's Wheel,
Who settled the land by His handiwork,
Who joins in secret,
Who builds soundly,
Who nourishes the nestlings by the breath of His mouth;
Who drenches this land with Nun,
While the Round Sea and the Great Ocean surround Him.
He has fashioned Gods and human beings,
He has formed flocks and herds,
He made birds as well as fishes,
He created bulls, engendered cows,
He knotted the flow of blood to the bones,
Formed in His workshop as His handiwork,
So the breath of life is within everything,
Blood bound with semen in the bones,
To knit the bones from the start.
He makes women give birth when the womb is ready,
So as to open .... as he wishes;
He soothes suffering by His will,
Relieves throats, lets everyone breathe,
To give life to the young in the womb.
He made hair sprout and tresses grow,
Fastened the skin over the limbs;
He built the skull, formed the cheeks.
To furnish shape to the image.
He opened the eyes, hollowed the ears,
He made the body inhale air;
He formed the mouth for eating,
Made the throat for swallowing.
He also formed the tongue to speak,
The jaws to open, the gullet to drink,
The throat to swallow and spit.
The spine to give support,
The testicles to move,
The arm to act with vigor,
The rear to perform its task.
The gullet to devour,
Hands and their fingers to do their work,
The heart to lead,
The loins to support the phallus
In the act of begetting.
The frontal organs to consume things,
The rear to aerate the entrails,
Likewise to sit at ease,
And sustain the entrails at night.
The male member to beget,
The womb to conceive,
And increase generations in Egypt.
The bladder to make water,
The virile member to eject
When it swells between the thighs.
The shins to step,
The legs to tread,
Their bones doing their task,
By the will of His heart."
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DoubleClutch
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The tales are fictional but teach a moral lesson nonetheless.
Did you take these allegories literally?
Yes, the Gods and stories of Egypt, Greece, etc... are fictional but Jesus isn’t though.
DoubleClutch
Superstar
Why do you think I don’t?
or rather what evidence is there to the contrary?
if there was how would you feel if say the story was borrowed/doctored
would it make the words have less meaning? Do you want a “sacrifice” for your sins or a path to God the Father?
IMO too many Christians cannot discern between Jesus and Mithras
I got my answer. Thanks
Consider it as two crucifixionsI got my answer. Thanks
this is the important part imo
Why should anyone take the name of God and scribe curses? Did Jesus curse? Or was his voice different than the prophets?
Johnny Kilroy
79 points in 1 quarter
Yes, the Gods and stories of Egypt, Greece, etc... are fictional but Jesus isn’t though.
Is this what you know or what you believe?
Furthermore, do you know your interpretation of Jesus' message is correct or do you believe it is?
a better way of looking at it is what level of truth is required before words become trueYes, the Gods and stories of Egypt, Greece, etc... are fictional but Jesus isn’t though.
Jesus words are timeless but not all words in the Bible are timeless imo.
DoubleClutch
Superstar
What matters is what you believe. But first read the Bible. Do some historical research for yourself.
I hope it leads you to the truth
Johnny Kilroy
79 points in 1 quarter
I appreciate it but I'm not seeking your spiritual counsel, friend. Just having a discussion.
I haven't received a single answer to any of my questions though.
The purpose of forum is to share ideas and sentiments. Why do you seem so unwilling to answer any of my questions, breh?
Well, I know why. I'm pretty sure you know too. It's because belief is based on doubt. I apologize if my line of questioning causes you distress. Only knowledge, wisdom and understanding can quell that, which can never be attained if one closes their eyes, ears and hearts to the world around them.
LeBron could average 60, 30 and 20 for the next 5 years with 5 rings but you already told me your mind was made up and you weren't interested in analyzing any new info on the subject. Again, this is the definition of bias and closed-mindedness.
There are many more books than the Bible and there are more interpretations of the Bible than the one you were taught.
Belief is strong. People are willing to kill and die for their beliefs. But belief has NOTHING on KNOWLEDGE.
Johnny Kilroy
79 points in 1 quarter
double
I appreciate it but I'm not seeking your spiritual counsel, friend. Just having a discussion.
I haven't received a single answer to any of my questions though.
The purpose of forum is to share ideas and sentiments. Why do you seem so unwilling to answer any of my questions, breh?
Well, I know why. I'm pretty sure you know too. It's because belief is based on doubt. I apologize if my line of questioning causes you distress. Only knowledge, wisdom and understanding can quell that, which can never be attained if one closes their eyes, ears and hearts to the world around them.
LeBron could average 60, 30 and 20 for the next 5 years with 5 rings but you already told me your mind was made up and you weren't interested in analyzing any new info on the subject. Again, this is the definition of bias and closed-mindedness.
There are many more books than the Bible and there are more interpretations of the Bible than the one you were taught.
Belief is strong. People are willing to kill and die for their beliefs. But belief has NOTHING on KNOWLEDGE.
Genesis 3:9-15
the mind and the heart allegory
in a weird way i respect @DoubleClutch defiance because in essence more knowledge doesnt liberate you. You just take in more knowledge
what is better...to be covered with memory or to be formless as waters
Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 44 - King James Version
The Book of the Prophet Isaiah 44
1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:
4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.
5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.
12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.
13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19 And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?
21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
The Book of the Prophet Isaiah 44
1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:
2 Thus saith the Lord that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.
3 For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:
4 And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.
5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.
12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.
13 The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19 And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?
21 Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:
27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:
28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
Johnny Kilroy
79 points in 1 quarter
Genesis 3:9-15
the mind and the heart allegory
in a weird way i respect @DoubleClutch defiance because in essence more knowledge doesnt liberate you. You just take in more knowledge
what is better...to be covered with memory or to be formless as waters
Are you differentiating between knowledge and information?
I should have been more clear and said KNOWING. Because I was referencing in regards to belief. Believing vs knowing.
1+1=2. I don't believe this. I know this. I can do a mathematical proof to show this and I'd easily bet my entire family's life on it without a moments hesitation.
Belief is completely different. It's almost a 50/50 crap shoot in comparison. And it's usually based on what someone else said, not on actual self observance.
do you see my post?
Do you feel your phone/cpu?
Do you breathe in air and feel warmth and cold?
Then God is true. If you do not. Then death is true.