Better Debut Album: It’s Dark and Hell is Hot or Reasonable Doubt?

[FreshAIG]

What???? I was in the clubs in 98 and "ruff ryders anthem" and "get at me dog" were always played.. 2 club joints that received heavy rotation.

Yeah they got play in clubs of course but those aren't really club records to me. They just got play because DMX was wildly popular. Party Up is a party/club record. Get It on the Floor is a club record. Get At Me Dog is literally an old EPMD record that DMX did a freestyle to with The Lox, and then remixed it for a single because it was popular on mixtapes. Ruff Ryders Anthem is more of a "club" record to an extent because it's a lot of call and response. But still, it doesn't really fit in with what would constitute as a "club" record in terms of beat choice or content.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

This is a really wack way of describing IDAHIH. shyt got like 2 club anthems the whole album, IDAHIH had more creativity. It had a crazy vibe to it. It had better and more creative storytelling. It introduced a new sound. It was much more than club anthems. shyt was a dark album actually.

2 is more than the 0 RD had. And yes I was in the clubs in 1996 too. RD flew under the radar bad. They say it went gold, but it sold so little and they weren't confident in future sales that it went out of print until 1999. If you got it back then, you got it with the gun art on the cd and in the inerts. You can't buy that copy anymore. Aint no nikka was a dope tune, but it just wasn't getting play like X's 2 club anthems. And I was born in the 70s. I'm not telling you something someone told me, I was around buying these albums in the clubs when they dropped.

 

[Mike Wins]

Dmx is his favorite rapper so my point stands. I’m out. Also Fresh is/was smart enough to be able to express his opinion based on his own feeling and not phrases like “X was hot like fish grease” or “he killed shiny suits”.

now im out lol

I'll leave you with this, RD actually got my vote

 

[spliz]

2 is more than the 0 RD had. And yes I was in the clubs in 1996 too. RD flew under the radar bad. They say it went gold, but it sold so little and they weren't confident in future sales that it went out of print until 1999. If you got it back then, you got it with the gun art on the cd and in the inerts. You can't buy that copy anymore. Aint no nikka was a dope tune, but it just wasn't getting play like X's 2 club anthems. And I was born in the 70s. I'm not telling you something someone told me, I was around buying these albums in the clubs when they dropped.

Ain’t No nikka. That’s 1. That shyt was on Nutty Professor soundtrack. RD also had a more RnB feel to it. IDAHIH is a FAR darker and gloomy album. Ur sum up of the album was wrong. I don’t care when u were born. I was buying these albums when they dropped too. Someone stole my original RD copy and I had to buy a new one.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Yeah they got play in clubs of course but those aren't really club records to me. They just got play because DMX was wildly popular. Party Up is a party/club record. Get It on the Floor is a club record. Get At Me Dog is literally an old EPMD record that DMX did a freestyle to with The Lox, and then remixed it for a single because it was popular on mixtapes. Ruff Ryders Anthem is more of a "club" record to an extent because it's a lot of call and response. But still, it doesn't really fit in with what would constitute as a "club" record in terms of beat choice or content.

cmnon man, don't get philosophical, you know what I meant. I'm not saying DMX made that record with the intent of rivaling Puff daddy for club spins. I'm just saying, he made 2 record that were able to be played in clubs to dance to and gained a lot of popularity. Monch didn't make "Simon Says" with the intent of it being a club anthem for him. Had he known, I'm sure he would have cleared the sample...

 

[FreshAIG]

cmnon man, don't get philosophical, you know what I meant. I'm not saying DMX made that record with the intent of rivaling Puff daddy for club spins. I'm just saying, he made 2 record that were able to be played in clubs to dance to and gained a lot of popularity. Monch didn't make "Simon Says" with the intent of it being a club anthem for him. Had he known, I'm sure he would have cleared the sample...

Nah the way you phrased it, made it seem like IDAHIH was like a party/club heavy album when it's literally the exact opposite. It's one of the darkest rap albums I ever heard. That's all bro.

 

[spliz]

Dmx is his favorite rapper so my point stands. I’m out. Also Fresh is/was smart enough to be able to express his opinion based on his own feeling and not phrases like “X was hot like fish grease” or “he killed shiny suits”.

now im out lol

Actually most people said it the exact way he said it including me. Check my first post in the thread. U the one who came in acting like the entire comparison was ridiculous.

 

[spliz]

Nah the way you phrased it, made it seem like IDAHIH was like a party/club heavy album when it's literally the exact opposite. It's one of the darkest rap albums I ever heard. That's all bro.

Exactly.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

2 is more than the 0 RD had. And yes I was in the clubs in 1996 too. RD flew under the radar bad. They say it went gold, but it sold so little and they weren't confident in future sales that it went out of print until 1999. If you got it back then, you got it with the gun art on the cd and in the inerts. You can't buy that copy anymore. Aint no nikka was a dope tune, but it just wasn't getting play like X's 2 club anthems. And I was born in the 70s. I'm not telling you something someone told me, I was around buying these albums in the clubs when they dropped.

Gold & Platinum - RIAA

It was certified gold in September '96. 3 months later.

 

[JustCKing]

I'm glad I sat this one out.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

A little off topic, I actually bought DMX album twice that summer. If you were lucky to get them, Def Jam was including a few cd sampler in each of their releases that summer. The first DMX I bought didn't have the double disc so I had to buy it again to get that version. I think 4 or 5 cds that summer had double disks. I have them all. One of them had LL's diss for Canibus on it and others would preview up and coming songs from albums like Meth's upcoming album and Cormega's The Testament(that never dropped)

 

[SunZoo]

I don’t know what this argument is. nikkas just saying they feel IDAHIH impacted them more personally and nikkas gettin they panties in a bunch.

My panties are fine lol

And I can concede that IDAHIH is a more impactful album. But the question I was responding to was...how did Jay-Z end up ahead of his contemporaries, there's no one answer but I gave what I thought was key, RD being a big part of it.

A lot of people have made the argument that Jay never was THE TOP RAPPER in any era and people use DMX as an eample because even at his height, you had DMX garnering a lot of attention. I'm saying as someone who experienced it real time, someone being more 'hot' than Jay any given year can never erase the good will and consistentcy Jay built on top of RD.

If Jay's first album was Vol. 2, arguably his most "impactful" album...he might have flamed out. To me, it's a much better album in a vaccum and in context. But I'm just a nikka that love tiddies.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Gold & Platinum - RIAA

It was certified gold in September '96. 3 months later.

Key words, "they SAY it went gold". It probably did, but I find it strange that a gold album just disappeared from the stores a little while later. It was reissued with bonus tracks in 1999 after being out of print for over a year .

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Key words, "they SAY it went gold". It probably did, but I find it strange that a gold album just disappeared from the stores a little while later. It was reissued with bonus tracks in 1999 after being out of print for over a year .

RIAA's not handing out fake certifications dude

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

RIAA's not handing out fake certifications dude

shyt I don't know. Have you heard the stories about labels scanning their own albums multiple times at their own stores? I'm not saying the album wasn't deserving of it and didn't sell a lot of records, but i personally don't know 10 people with a copy of the original RD or that owned it. And I've been over the world lol. I don't know what the RIAA, labels, or stores do. Because at the same time, you have albums from the past being certified today and others being ignored. He was on Freeze records at the time with their own rocafella imprint. "Aint no nikka" was a single for Def Jam on nutty professor soundtrack. I don't know, I'm just a thinkier and don't always accept information that is given without examining it.