Best Wrestler Alive Tourney 1st Round --- Shawn Michaels vs. Daniel Bryan

[Ripp]

the dikk riding of sweet chin music is out of control.. when you watch all these amateurs throw superkicks and slap their legs it looks corny as fukk. (No shot at AEW I'm talking about the usos, adam cole and any wwe guy that does the move as well). To this day HBshizzle has the cleanest superkick of all time. You can't even see him slap his thigh.

Also his use of the kip up is legendary. Most if not all wrestlers use it to show off. HBK used it as a comeback manuver. You would think he's damn near dead then he just pops up and gets the crowd hype asf

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

the dikk riding of sweet chin music is out of control.. when you watch all these amateurs throw superkicks and slap their legs it looks corny as fukk. (No shot at AEW I'm talking about the usos, adam cole and any wwe guy that does the move as well). To this day HBshizzle has the cleanest superkick of all time. You can't even see him slap his thigh.

Also his use of the kip up is legendary. Most if not all wrestlers use it to show off. HBK used it as a comeback manuver. You would think he's damn near dead then he just pops up and gets the crowd hype asf

Without a doubt. This man was out here superkicking 7 footers and it always looked immaculate.

 

[R=G]

This is just blatantly false. Or are you trying to say early babyface Rockers version of Shawn Michaels is the same character as mid-90's HBK? And they're both the same character as the grizzled veteran who fought the Undertaker at the tail end of his career? And Shawn Michaels wasn't over as a classic good guy babyface the entire last decade of his career?

Really breh?

And let's be honest, when DB is a heel it's on some modern day smark-era "we all still like you, but we playing along with the show BOOOOOO" type shyt.

Over? He wasnt over when it was time to make money though. 1996 Shawn Michael's was a overpushed punk ass bytch. Remember his failure is why there was a need for Stone Cold Steve Austin in the first place.

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

It is absolutely 100% false, not to mention disingenuous, to claim that Shawn Michaels was never over as a babyface in his career.

He was a babyface his whole 2nd run from 02-10 and I don't remember him ever not being over

 

[jerniebert]

Dudes just be saying anything smh

No that's my honest opinion. Just like your opinion is he's one of the best. Me saying he wasn't good would be different. People over rate the shyt out of Yawn Michael's. He's always been boring to me.

 

[jerniebert]

Brock Lesnar has that title. He had a 2 year window of good work and he's been coasting off that for years.

People say Brock is good but not to often is he called the best the way people over rate HBK. I think HBK had a good career and is one of the better wrestlers of all time, but he is over rated by a lot of people. I always found him boring.

 

[R=G]

It is absolutely 100% false, not to mention disingenuous, to claim that Shawn Michaels was never over as a babyface in his career.

He was a babyface his whole 2nd run from 02-10 and I don't remember him ever not being over

He damn sure wasnt drawing in 96 as a face
..which is why when he went away, business skyrocketed and broke records.

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

He damn sure wasnt drawing in 96 as a face
..which is why when he went away, business skyrocketed and broke records.

If Daniel Bryan was in Shawn Michaels' place in 1996 getting the push as WWF Champion (but everything else was the exact same), do you think that would have made business boom?

WWE ratings have been in decline through Daniel Bryan's whole career. Do you hold that against him? Or do you chalk that up to WWE programming overall being trash?

And since we're on the subject of drawing

Maybe you'll be surprised to see that Shawn Michaels is right there in the middle of the pack.

What I want to know is, will you be bringing that same energy to the discussion when Eddie Guerrero, the worst drawing champion of all time, comes up?

 

[Tres Leches]

Even heel scumbag HOH aj lee daniel Bryan was more entertaining than most of HBks runs


But that’s just my opinion

 

[R=G]

If Daniel Bryan was in Shawn Michaels' place in 1996 getting the push as WWF Champion (but everything else was the exact same), do you think that would have made business boom?

WWE ratings have been in decline through Daniel Bryan's whole career. Do you hold that against him? Or do you chalk that up to WWE programming overall being trash?

And since we're on the subject of drawing

Maybe you'll be surprised to see that Shawn Michaels is right there in the middle of the pack.

What I want to know is, will you be bringing that same energy to the discussion when Eddie Guerrero, the worst drawing champion of all time, comes up?

But Bryan was just 15 yrs old back then..either you have IT or you dont. And clearly and comprehensively Shawn Michaels didnt have what Austin had...didnt have what Hall had....what Nash had...what Goldberg had...Sting...that's why he can get injured 4 years and nobody missed him like they did Austin, Rock, Hogan, Goldberg, and Sting. Different levels. Bryan came back to tears and a roars....Michaels didn't have that kind of adulation...ever.

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

But Bryan was just 15 yrs old back then..either you have IT or you dont. And clearly and comprehensively Shawn Michaels didnt have what Austin had...didnt have what Hall had....what Nash had...what Goldberg had...Sting...that's why he can get injured 4 years and nobody missed him like they did Austin, Rock, Hogan, Goldberg, and Sting. Different levels. Bryan came back to tears and a roars....Michaels didn't have that kind of adulation...ever.

But I thought you wanted to talk about drawing.

Here's a couple of facts you might not have been aware of:

The 75 house shows headlined by Shawn Michaels as WWF Champion in 1996 drew an average of 1744 more fans than the 30 house shows headlined by Randy Savage in 1992. Put another way, Michaels in 1996 drew 51% more fans per show than Savage in 1992.

Those 1996 Shawn Michaels house shows drew an average 2x as many people per show than the 23 house shows headlined by Eddie Guerrero as champion in 2004.


Since you always want bring up drawing power (or lack thereof) to criticize Michaels, how do you feel about Randy Savage and Eddie Guerrero as draws?

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Daniel Bryan is so overrated. Not a fan of dude at all.

70% of his offense are kicks & a suicide dive.

Shawn is overrated as a draw, but dude put on incredible performances.

Shawn Michaels not only had classic matches under his belt, but they had a big match feel to it.

 

[Novembruh]

Shawn Michaels isn't trash. He's objectively not.

He also isn't comprehensively the wrestler than Daniel Bryan is.

I cared more about Bryan's WM win, his retirement and his un-retirement than I cared about Taker/Shawn 1, 2, or him finally letting that hair go. It's a personal opinion. But I hold to it - Bryan wasn't supposed to succeed, and he did it anyway. Michaels literally had management behind him and carte blanche to do as he wished on live television... and he still ended up being pushed along to the side, because people who end up on top organically just present themselves differently than the made men of the business. Austin was organic, Rock post-Maivia was organic. HBK was manufactured, and it was apparent.

Not saying Bryan is equivalent to Rock or Austin... but he's the truest example of an organic rise in this era of wrestling; where the company has no choice but to change their whole plans because of the rumbling behind someone. And... fitting that he played a big part in the next organic rise that happened after him, in Kofimania.

 

[OH SOHH TRILL]

Well this is some bullshyt breh.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Changed my vote

Wish i didnt vote at all