Best way to get rid of stomach?

[Adam3000]

I'm not going to dive to deep since I'm on my phone but:

Where I'm at right now personally is experimenting with something I think works for me personally. In saying that I'm leaning more towards not suggesting methods past being mindful what a person eats and how it impacts them. Case in point my response to the OP was "good nutrition" as opposed to keto, carb cycling etc. I'm guilty of jumping need deep into giving advice based on my beliefs at the time but I won't do so much in that way anymore.

My only beef with IIFYM is what it has turned into which is trending towards the justification of eating pop tarts, etc. The problem is that the people trumpeting this are more likely predisposed to being able to handle these foods without it impacting them at all in the short term. Some of that is based on their body design, natural and worked for.

That's my long winded way of saying that for a lot of people who are obese and trying to get started I suspect they have or are susceptible to health issues that leading them to eat certain foods isn't optimal. IIFYM doesn't really address some of the underlying issues that they may need to address.

Easily this really doesn't have much to do with this thread directly it just happened to fall in line with what I was thing at the time.

Old man rant over

Regarding your health issues concern, I share the same viewpoint. But mostly this would be in reference to diabetes or pre-diabetes, in which case I never would attempt to give advice to those people. Are there other health concerns you are referring to?

I think where we differ is you may be contributing many peoples food mistakes to biological factors, while I am contributing them mostly to psychological factors. I might be wrong in saying that and putting words in your mouth.

I would need to see evidence to support your theory, because everything I have seen and experienced in my own and other peoples lives I tells me its mostly psychological. I have never heard of someone accurately counting calories ( a precursor to IIFYM) and failing. Digging deeper always reveals that they were failing in their diet if they werent seeing results.

For example, I was talking to a coworker who is overweight and I have been trying to help her lose weight at her request. We were talking about the foods she eats and she was telling me how much she worked out and how little she ate. I was perplexed. A couple days later, she walks in with a white chocolate mocha lattee from a local coffee spot and was stunned when I told her it probably has 300-400 calories in it. She also brought in an big ass giant muffin for dinner because she was in a hurry and wanted something quick and "healthy." I explained to her that she has now wasted 1000 calories of her daily total with zero satiation or nutritional benefit. She had no idea she was doing this.

I cant recall any anecdotal evidence that goes against what I am saying either. In posted the Twinkie Diet and the McDonalds Diet in that other thread, those are two extreme pieces of anecdotal evidence and are quite damning for those that dont agree with what I am saying.

Read the MyFitnessPal forums as well and you will be bombarded with people finding success with the "anything goes if it fits your calories" crowd. Whereas if you read other forums such as Paleo forums it is clear that most of those people have never calorie counted, thus are contributing their success to cutting carbs when in reality it is the satiating nature of lean meats, veggies, and fats that is prevent overeating and thus causing success.

 

[Adam3000]

Oh, and for the record I think that the justification for eating pop tarts thing you referred to is a 'healthy' thing, not a bad thing. Because to me, being 'psychologically' happy in the short term is incredibly important in sustaining long term success

 

[RTF]

I think you're both saying the right thing but coming from different angles.

A lot of the people in the IIFYM crowd are intermediate to advanced bodybuilding types that can probably spare 200 calories more a day than the average person while also having low bodyfat. They've been told for years to basically only eat "bro" foods and they realise that they don't have too. They can strike a bit of a balance. These people know great nutrition but want some flexibility. There's only so much crap you can eat and to have 10% bf for example for most people.

Conversely, if a dude does nothing BUT can't calories. Sure they'll need to learn a thing or two to avoid starvation but they can still largely eat crap, have poor nutrition and end up at 15% bodyfat which for a lot of people is considered good and athletic. This can still lead to high blood pressure from too much sodium and a bunch of other illnesses.

Nothing beats good nutritional education.

 

[Don Mack]

Take a cycling class from a black instructor at LA Fitness and the weight will come flying off, assuming they don't cycle to trance, country western, etc

 

[DStyles]

I ate 4 slices of pizza yesterday and drank 2 diet cokes plus a slice of cake


It was my birthday though

 

[mtu wa chuma]

Take a cycling class from a black instructor at LA Fitness and the weight will come flying off, assuming they don't cycle to trance, country western, etc

yes, and make sure the instructor is black. the colour of his skin is extremely important in determining whether you lose weight or not.

 

[The ADD]

Regarding your health issues concern, I share the same viewpoint. But mostly this would be in reference to diabetes or pre-diabetes, in which case I never would attempt to give advice to those people. Are there other health concerns you are referring to?

Diabetes and pre-diabetes are the main issues I'm thinking about and trying to learn more about right now. We are on the same page there.

I think where we differ is you may be contributing many peoples food mistakes to biological factors, while I am contributing them mostly to psychological factors. I might be wrong in saying that and putting words in your mouth.

I think it's a mix of both and that's where personal experience shades opinion. Coming from someone who weighed at least as much as 260 pounds less than 5 years ago, I acknowledge that my nutrition was horrendous. I was all over the board even as a vegetarian. At the same time I think my choices feed into a set of biological factors that kept me in that general state.

I would need to see evidence to support your theory, because everything I have seen and experienced in my own and other peoples lives I tells me its mostly psychological. I have never heard of someone accurately counting calories ( a precursor to IIFYM) and failing. Digging deeper always reveals that they were failing in their diet if they werent seeing results.

For example, I was talking to a coworker who is overweight and I have been trying to help her lose weight at her request. We were talking about the foods she eats and she was telling me how much she worked out and how little she ate. I was perplexed. A couple days later, she walks in with a white chocolate mocha lattee from a local coffee spot and was stunned when I told her it probably has 300-400 calories in it. She also brought in an big ass giant muffin for dinner because she was in a hurry and wanted something quick and "healthy." I explained to her that she has now wasted 1000 calories of her daily total with zero satiation or nutritional benefit. She had no idea she was doing this.

I cant recall any anecdotal evidence that goes against what I am saying either. In posted the Twinkie Diet and the McDonalds Diet in that other thread, those are two extreme pieces of anecdotal evidence and are quite damning for those that dont agree with what I am saying.

At base levels I'm not against cals in vs. cals out. My feel is that IIFYM isn't teaching people a solid base of general nutrition to build from. There is counting macros and then there is having a better understanding of what each one does and a level up what it does to you as an individual. IIFYM is starting to blur the lines on that IMO. There are limits to it as well. I was talking to someone who has been correcting thier diet but was frustrated with the lack of loss in the mid-section like most people are. This particular person isn't going to work out much for different reason so cals in vs cals out is going to work but testing out different rations and composition of consumed macros eventually is going to be in order if they really want to lose the midsection.

Read the MyFitnessPal forums as well and you will be bombarded with people finding success with the "anything goes if it fits your calories" crowd. Whereas if you read other forums such as Paleo forums it is clear that most of those people have never calorie counted, thus are contributing their success to cutting carbs when in reality it is the satiating nature of lean meats, veggies, and fats that is prevent overeating and thus causing success.

 

[Don Mack]

yes, and make sure the instructor is black. the colour of his skin is extremely important in determining whether you lose weight or not.

You can't lose weight peddling to country western

 

[RAX 010]

FOCUS T 25

 

[the cool]

Regarding your health issues concern, I share the same viewpoint. But mostly this would be in reference to diabetes or pre-diabetes, in which case I never would attempt to give advice to those people. Are there other health concerns you are referring to?

I think where we differ is you may be contributing many peoples food mistakes to biological factors, while I am contributing them mostly to psychological factors. I might be wrong in saying that and putting words in your mouth.

I would need to see evidence to support your theory, because everything I have seen and experienced in my own and other peoples lives I tells me its mostly psychological. I have never heard of someone accurately counting calories ( a precursor to IIFYM) and failing. Digging deeper always reveals that they were failing in their diet if they werent seeing results.

For example, I was talking to a coworker who is overweight and I have been trying to help her lose weight at her request. We were talking about the foods she eats and she was telling me how much she worked out and how little she ate. I was perplexed. A couple days later, she walks in with a white chocolate mocha lattee from a local coffee spot and was stunned when I told her it probably has 300-400 calories in it. She also brought in an big ass giant muffin for dinner because she was in a hurry and wanted something quick and "healthy." I explained to her that she has now wasted 1000 calories of her daily total with zero satiation or nutritional benefit. She had no idea she was doing this.

I cant recall any anecdotal evidence that goes against what I am saying either. In posted the Twinkie Diet and the McDonalds Diet in that other thread, those are two extreme pieces of anecdotal evidence and are quite damning for those that dont agree with what I am saying.

Read the MyFitnessPal forums as well and you will be bombarded with people finding success with the "anything goes if it fits your calories" crowd. Whereas if you read other forums such as Paleo forums it is clear that most of those people have never calorie counted, thus are contributing their success to cutting carbs when in reality it is the satiating nature of lean meats, veggies, and fats that is prevent overeating and thus causing success.

im a skinny fat where it seems like all the fat goes to my stomach. im getting a bulge down there, how can i lose that?

i have iso-100 whey that i just started taking after workouts at the gym. im trying to get more muscular

 

[Adam3000]

im a skinny fat where it seems like all the fat goes to my stomach. im getting a bulge down there, how can i lose that?

i have iso-100 whey that i just started taking after workouts at the gym. im trying to get more muscular

Skinny fat is no different than fat fat in terms of how you gain muscle and lose fat. You gain muscle by eating lots of protein ans eating a caloric surplus (possibly 3000 per day?) You lose fat by eating at a caloric defecit (possibly 2000 per day?) Depends on age, weight, and activity level

You need sacrifice one way or the other right now to get right. Either work on fat loss now and you will be skinny as fukk once you get down low enough, or work on muscle gain now and worry about the fat later.

Personally I went with the fat loss first approach, because my health is more important than gaining muscle to me. And high BF% generally means you will have poor health conditions.

Its not rocket science really. Keeping track of your calories and eating healthy is the best way to keep them on track and ensure you are getting the nutrients your body craves. Get MyFitnessPal app and enter your info and listen to its advice. It will work if you use it.

 

[RTF]

If you are untrained/have little muscle mass you can gain muscle without gaining weight pretty easily for at least 6-12 months. It's only after a year or so that those beginner gains slow up real hard. Then you'll need to hit a bulk to gain muscle.

 

[RTF]

Furthermore myfitnesspal is all over the place when it comes to advised calories for weightloss. Find your own target calorific intake and adjust as you progress. MFP is great for tracking calories.