Bernie Sanders Unveils his Medicare for All Plan

[Pressure]

To avoid any confusion I believe it falls into the I'd rather have it than nothing at all spectrum of support.

I don't believe that's the best approach for government mandated healthcare.

 

[Swaggatron]

Big pharma has too much of a say in our government...as much as I would like this to pass it is highly unlikely

 

[Pressure]

Big pharma has too much of a say in our government...as much as I would like this to pass it is highly unlikely

I doubt pharma is the primary the culprit here. ^

 

[Maschine_Man]

Yeah this ain't passing with all those taxes

Ppl need to stop worrying about the word "tax" as if paying insurance premiums (even though a different name) isn't the same as a tax

 

[Maschine_Man]

Big pharma has too much of a say in our government...as much as I would like this to pass it is highly unlikely

Insurance would be the ones lobbying against this, pharma still gonna get their money......shiiet, they may even make more now.

 

[hashmander]

Fundamentally you have to explain to and then convince the general public how the US government can handle healthcare when the only example most people visibly see or hear about is the VA.

so the proposed bill is called medicare for all, but it would have to be explained how the govt can handle it because of the 100% govt run VA system and NOT medicare for which the expansion is named? i assume it's gonna be medicare but just everyone is eligible. and where as those over 62 have to buy supplemental insurance (or get it subsidized if they are poor enough), the cost of our supplemental insurance will come out of our paychecks and if you're poor enough subsidized by the govt.

as for how medicare is ran, they generally get good reviews from their "customers", better than the private insurance and they do a better job of cost control than private companies. they would be able to control costs even more if they were't hamstrung by congress who bows to pressure from the providers to raise how much medicare pays them. if they were truly negotiating without a leash and representing 100s of millions the health providers would pretty much have to agree with whatever the medicare negotiators feel is fair from a cost perspective while making sure people still want to be doctors and provide services. they could do the same with prescription drugs.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Would be a miracle if he could build enough support for this.

Hey Obama got the ACA pushed through when no one thought that was possible. I think it can happen

 

[Joe Sixpack]

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

John Conyers has introduced a Medicare for All Act every year since 2003. This is just political manuvering and a way to get Dems on record with regards to where they stand on this. The tax hikes are probably whats going to sink this thing, besides a Republican house and Senate. A good step forward however. But this can't be some sort of national litmus test if the party wants to regain footing in some of those deep red districts. Regaining ground means more Joe Manchins and Claire McCaskills I'm afraid.

fukk Joe Manchin and all corporate-republican lite democrats.

If you want to vote for a republican, vote for a republican. No reason at all to vote for a republican with an R next to his name...downright sillly.

And yes, there should be a litmus test. All the garbage corporatist/centrists/DINOS need to be purged and replaced by progressives.

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

For Senior citizens and many rely on some level of supplemental insurance in order to survive the deductibles. It doesn't have a very great reputation either tbh.

Medicare is one of the most popular government programs in existence. In other words, you have no fukking clue what youre talking about, sambo jimmy.

 

[Pressure]

Medicare is one of the most popular government programs in existence. In other words, you have no fukking clue what youre talking about, sambo jimmy.

 

[Pressure]

so the proposed bill is called medicare for all, but it would have to be explained how the govt can handle it because of the 100% govt run VA system and NOT medicare for which the expansion is named? i assume it's gonna be medicare but just everyone is eligible. and where as those over 62 have to buy supplemental insurance (or get it subsidized if they are poor enough), the cost of our supplemental insurance will come out of our paychecks and if you're poor enough subsidized by the govt.

as for how medicare is ran, they generally get good reviews from their "customers", better than the private insurance and they do a better job of cost control than private companies. they would be able to control costs even more if they were't hamstrung by congress who bows to pressure from the providers to raise how much medicare pays them. if they were truly negotiating without a leash and representing 100s of millions the health providers would pretty much have to agree with whatever the medicare negotiators feel is fair from a cost perspective while making sure people still want to be doctors and provide services. they could do the same with prescription drugs.

As it currently stands Medicare doesn't negotiate drug prices directly.

Any medicare for all proposal should fundamentally change how medicare operates.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but medicare under it's current permutation is wholly insufficient in regards to what it offers compared to what most people making good money currently receive as a part of their employee based insurance or pay on their own.

 

[Pressure]

Medicare has the same satisfaction rate or less than military/veterans.

We all accept VA coverage is wholly insufficient.

 

[hashmander]

As it currently stands Medicare doesn't negotiate drug prices directly.

Any medicare for all proposal should fundamentally change how medicare operates.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but medicare under it's current permutation is wholly insufficient in regards to what it offers compared to what most people making good money currently receive as a part of their employee based insurance or pay on their own.

sounds like congress handicapping it then. let them off their chains and let's see what kinda health care package they can negotiate with a few hundred million customers (on the part A) and the 20% satisfied with advantage plans that have to meet certain standards and requirements or lose access to a few hundred million customers.

 

[hashmander]

Medicare has the same satisfaction rate or less than military/veterans.

We all accept VA coverage is wholly insufficient.

a few retired military people live in my neighborhood, including the female spouses of those who did serve and that tri-care shyt got them smiling all the time and paying jack shyt and rubbing it in my face. if my healthcare costs were $0 (and that includes payroll deductions) i'd let the govt get away with a whole lot short of killing me.