Bernie Sanders statement on Trump victory

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Nah.

There's PLENTY of blame to go around as far as the Dem leadership, but let's be reality: This election was pretty much a repudiation of minorities and eight years under a black president. You literally have open bigots in the street celebrating Trump's victory so you're not convincing me that white resentment wasn't the main reason for Trump's victory. Minority kids getting harassed in schools. But I do agree that it's not just poor/uneducated whites that elected Trump, many of his supporters are doing just fine financially and poor whites were actually a little less likely to vote Republican.

Trump is a man who was born into wealth and power and has always been rich so you're not convincing me that he somehow relates with the average man. Not a chance. The problem is deeper than just Dem leadership.

Breh Hillary lost ground with every demographic compared to Obama, including black people

She was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible, rigged campaign. Racism is probably not even a top 5 reason she lost

 

[FAH1223]

Nah.

There's PLENTY of blame to go around as far as the Dem leadership, but let's be reality: This election was pretty much a repudiation of minorities and eight years under a black president. You literally have open bigots in the street celebrating Trump's victory so you're not convincing me that white resentment wasn't the main reason for Trump's victory. Minority kids getting harassed in schools. But I do agree that it's not just poor/uneducated whites that elected Trump, many of his supporters are doing just fine financially and poor whites were actually a little less likely to vote Republican.

Trump is a man who was born into wealth and power and has always been rich so you're not convincing me that he somehow relates with the average man. Not a chance. The problem is deeper than just Dem leadership.

The White Nationalist mood is a small part... Trump used it to obviously get more enthusiasm. But race isn't the only thing. Economics is the biggest thing. This election was lost in places Obama won in the rust belt and HRC couldn't turn out these voters on her side because she had no message. In politics you need to run on a campaign on 3-4 issues. If you asked a voter in WI, PA, MI what she was for, you wouldn't get a consistent theme. Plus, most of her ads were featuring Trump. It's such a flawed campaign tactic.

Plus, Trump lost Wisconsin in the primary to Cruz.

 

[No1]

The crazy thing is that he sounds more optimistic about getting some of his platform passed via Trump then he did via Clinton. You can hear it in his voice.

That's how pathetic the Corporate Democrat Machine was. Good riddance.

You have no idea how bad I want to say I told you so to these people, but ultimately, this is how much good internet debate does:

When Pew then examined those changes in more detail, it found that social media had often pointed people in a more negative direction. That is, people who changed their minds on Clinton were more than three times as likely to have gone negative on her, and people who changed their minds on Trump were nearly five times as likely to have gone negative on him.

In addition, 82 percent of social media users said they never changed their minds on a candidate and 79 percent never changed their minds on a social or political issue because of social media. So in terms of convincing anyone of anything, Facebook wasn’t the place to do that.

This online shyt is pointless. The only thing it's good for is to see neoliberalism and weaponized identity politics at work on social media. Sometimes I wish I had a coli contingent with me on twitter to see this bullshyt.

 

[acri1]

Breh Hillary lost ground with every demographic compared to Obama, including black people

She was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible, rigged campaign. Racism is probably not even a top 5 reason she lost

Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

I'm not even denying that Hillary wasn't a good candidate and didn't motivate her base, but Trump literally ran his campaign on white resentment so you're not helping anybody by pretending that's not why he won. Eight years of a black president along with demographic change and fears about Islam is what got Trump in office. Not to mention the racial climate over the past couple years in regards to police shootings, etc. have white people feeling pretty uncomfortable. The election wasn't a "fukk you" to the establishment so much as it is a "fukk you" to minorities.


The reason I don't buy this "people like Trump's economic message" line is that he doesn't actually have an economic message beyond "I'm gonna make better deals" and your typical trickle-down nonsense.

The White Nationalist mood is a small part... Trump used it to obviously get more enthusiasm. But race isn't the only thing. Economics is the biggest thing. This election was lost in places Obama won in the rust belt and HRC couldn't turn out these voters on her side because she had no message. In politics you need to run on a campaign on 3-4 issues. If you asked a voter in WI, PA, MI what she was for, you wouldn't get a consistent theme. Plus, most of her ads were featuring Trump. It's such a flawed campaign tactic.

Plus, Trump lost Wisconsin in the primary to Cruz.

Again, I'll be the FIRST person to agree that the Dems did a very poor job motivating their base.

But again, we're not doing ourselves a favor by denying what it is voters really like about Trump.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This election was lost in places Obama won in the rust belt and HRC couldn't turn out these voters on her side because she had no message.

Hell did she even campaign in the Rust Belt?

 

[FAH1223]

Hell did she even campaign in the Rust Belt?

Not as much as her trips to CA, WA, NH, NY, CT to do fundraisers...

Really wished they won two more Senate seats.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

I'm not even denying that Hillary wasn't a good candidate and didn't motivate her base, but Trump literally ran his campaign on white resentment so you're not helping anybody by pretending that's not why he won. Eight years of a black president along with demographic change and fears about Islam is what got Trump in office. The election wasn't a "fukk you" to the establishment so much as it is a "fukk you" to minorities.


The reason I don't buy this "people like Trump's economic message" line is that he doesn't actually have an economic message beyond "I'm gonna make better deals" and your typical trickle-down nonsense.

You're only acknowledging Hillary's awful candidacy in a tangential, "I am just saying this to pretend to be objective" way. Again, white resentment had jack shyt to do with the massive losses Hillary had over Obama in all non-white demographics, as well as the low millennial turnout. White nationalists did not win Trump this election; Hillary lost it by thinking she had people's votes in the bag w/her abysmal past and zero campaigning.

Dems have to own their role in this defeat.... hoping white nationalism will disappear in America is about the stupidest thing the Democrats can bank on politically

 

[acri1]

You're only acknowledging Hillary's awful candidacy in a tangential, "I am just saying this to pretend to be objective" way. Again, white resentment had jack shyt to do with the massive losses Hillary had over Obama in all non-white demographics, as well as the low millennial turnout. White nationalists did not win Trump this election; Hillary lost it by thinking she had people's votes in the bag w/her abysmal past and zero campaigning.

Dems have to own their role in this defeat.... hoping white nationalism will disappear in America is about the stupidest thing the Democrats can bank on politically

I've already said MANY times that Clinton was a bad candidate that won't turn out the base and I would've preferred Bernie, so I've acknowledged that plenty.

What you're not acknowledging is why people are voting for Trump. If it's his economic message I'd really like somebody to tell me what it actually is.

 

[FAH1223]

Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

I'm not even denying that Hillary wasn't a good candidate and didn't motivate her base, but Trump literally ran his campaign on white resentment so you're not helping anybody by pretending that's not why he won. Eight years of a black president along with demographic change and fears about Islam is what got Trump in office. Not to mention the racial climate over the past couple years in regards to police shootings, etc. have white people feeling pretty uncomfortable. The election wasn't a "fukk you" to the establishment so much as it is a "fukk you" to minorities.


The reason I don't buy this "people like Trump's economic message" line is that he doesn't actually have an economic message beyond "I'm gonna make better deals" and your typical trickle-down nonsense.






Again, I'll be the FIRST person to agree that the Dems did a very poor job motivating their base.

But again, we're not doing ourselves a favor by denying what it is voters really like about Trump.

I'm not entirely disagreeing. But if the DNC responds to this by just highlighting identity politics, they will be sorely mistaken. They need to be reaching out to the people that voted for Obama and now voted for Trump.

We all know he's going to support trickle down economics. The problem is the Democrats let this fool get away with it. They didn't challenge him on the issues. They didn't stand for issues to generate excitement. This is what they lost with Bernie in the primaries.

Trump's number 1 message was populist and he talked about jobs, jobs, jobs. That shid was simple. It was effective. He antagonized his fellow elites, foreign countries, and even corporations moving jobs overseas. A normal GOP nominee wouldn't do that which was part of his appeal.

Vast majority of Americans want job, healthcare, send their kids to college, retire in dignity. They dont care about personality politics.

Identity politics serves to deflect from the elite IMO. It's important but it doesn't generate the excitement of bold ideas and the class warfare from the top.

The Clinton campaign had no credibility on that front. Even with adopting a platform that would have helped these white working and middle class people. Losing so many white voters in one election cycle isn't just dog whistle politics or white nationalism. But it did play a part.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I've already said MANY times that Clinton was a bad candidate that won't turn out the base and I would've preferred Bernie, so I've acknowledged that plenty.

What you're not acknowledging is why people are voting for Trump. If it's his economic message I'd really like somebody to tell me what it actually is.

There are a lot of reasons people voted for Trump:

- to vote against Hillary
- to vote against the establishment
- for other policy issues (immigration, repealing ACA, national security)
- for his vague economic message (what was Hillary's? )

And yes, some voted for him because he is a white nationalist darling

Neither Trump nor Hillary were able to get favorability ratings higher than 50%.... enthusiasm for either was limited at best. So this idea that excitement about Trump making America white again are what put him over the threshold don't add up. Again in your nervous breakdown you are still not hearing me when I say Hillary lost major ground with minorities and millennial turnout. What the fukk does that have to do with white nationalism?

 

[King Kreole]

Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

I'm not even denying that Hillary wasn't a good candidate and didn't motivate her base, but Trump literally ran his campaign on white resentment so you're not helping anybody by pretending that's not why he won. Eight years of a black president along with demographic change and fears about Islam is what got Trump in office. Not to mention the racial climate over the past couple years in regards to police shootings, etc. have white people feeling pretty uncomfortable. The election wasn't a "fukk you" to the establishment so much as it is a "fukk you" to minorities.


The reason I don't buy this "people like Trump's economic message" line is that he doesn't actually have an economic message beyond "I'm gonna make better deals" and your typical trickle-down nonsense.






Again, I'll be the FIRST person to agree that the Dems did a very poor job motivating their base.

But again, we're not doing ourselves a favor by denying what it is voters really like about Trump.

If Trump literally ran his campaign on white resentment, how do you square that away with the fact that he did better amongst minorities than Romney?

 

[acri1]

There are a lot of reasons people voted for Trump:

- to vote against Hillary
- to vote against the establishment
- for other policy issues (immigration, repealing ACA, national security)
- for his vague economic message (what was Hillary's? )

And yes, some voted for him because he is a white nationalist darling

Neither Trump nor Hillary were able to get favorability ratings higher than 50%.... enthusiasm for either was limited at best. So this idea that excitement about Trump making America white again are what put him over the threshold don't add up. Again in your nervous breakdown you are still not hearing me when I say Hillary lost major ground with minorities and millennial turnout. What the fukk does that have to do with white nationalism?

Again, stop painting me as some sort of pro-Hillary goon or something. I've already said MANY times that I don't disagree with you about her being a bad candidate and depressing turnout, so chill with that.

All I'm saying is that you can't just ignore the current racial climate in the country and act like it's not a major contributor to Trump's rise (and yes, that along with low turnout from minorities/millennials). It's not the same as it was 4/8 years ago. Hillary was an awful candidate without a good message, but there's still the fact that Trump's base was mobilized.

If Trump literally ran his campaign on white resentment, how do you square that away with the fact that he did better amongst minorities than Romney?

Because Obama is obviously going to generate more enthusiasm from minorities than Hillary. She was never going to match his numbers in that regard, that shouldn't even need to be said.

I'm not even saying white resentment is the ONLY reason Trump won but it's a bigger factor than people probably want to admit IMO.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Nah.

There's PLENTY of blame to go around as far as the Dem leadership, but let's be reality: This election was pretty much a repudiation of minorities and eight years under a black president. You literally have open bigots in the street celebrating Trump's victory so you're not convincing me that white resentment wasn't the main reason for Trump's victory. Minority kids getting harassed in schools. But I do agree that it's not just poor/uneducated whites that elected Trump, many of his supporters are doing just fine financially and poor whites were actually a little less likely to vote Republican.

Trump is a man who was born into wealth and power and has always been rich so you're not convincing me that he somehow relates with the average man. Not a chance. The problem is deeper than just Dem leadership.

How could you blame Obama for
-the DNC choosing the wrong candidate,
-getting exposed for undermining their own primary,
-and ignoring the message that was resonating with people, regardless of political views
-Clinton lies and reckless behaviour

Notice, I didn't mention Trump and Bernie's wealth, just their message cause that's how they were able to relate to the average man, despite both men not being "average." If you're going to talk wealth, but not mention or downplay Hillary's wealth, then you're clearly being biased. This election has nothing to do with which candidate had deep pockets cause they all do

Trump and Bernie spoke about facts that the establishment politicians were/are afraid to mention

What public displays racist and KKK are doing now, doesn't change the similar acts they did yesterday, last month or last year. Trying to correlate the characteristics of any political candidate with who supports them is not fair. Instead you should focus on how that candidate embrace or reject an endorsement, which Trump messed up and finally corrected

Stop it? what are you retarded? we all know what the clintons do/did. They are a machine. Im only strictly saying that minor reason ended up being a big reason why Trump ran...Remember that dinner was in 2011 which was also the same year he STARTED the birther bullshyt...then after being embarrassed at that dinner he started getting petty and constantly throughout the remaining year of Barack's first term and 2nd term he was always tweeting about him and criticizing him in the media.

Days before that dinner he had released his long form birth certificate. Trump was gonna finally shut up until he got humiliated days later like that so he held it as a grudge.

Im telling you straight facts and your telling me to stop it as if none of this is true. We know what the Clintons do/did already captain obvious. THe point im making is she likely would be running against someone different. Trump wanted to make it his goal to get Obama back, he is a very petty man. We remember the story of that journalist or whoever who said he told trump 20 years ago how he has small hands and every year since then annually he sends him letters/pics of his hands and says "see they are not small"(paraphrasing). This was verified but you find it hard to believe a man who is insecure about his hand size enough to mail someone letters every year would not also run for President because he got made fun of at a dinner?

smh. Nikka I'm focused on the actual "work" done by Trump, DNC, and the Clintons so no blame could be placed on Obama, but you talmbowt trivial TMZ nonsense of how petty and how motivated Trump was to get back at Obama because of jokes? you ain't talking no facts

As if anyone running for any office isn't already highly motivated and would like to shyt on anyone who doubted them, but these type of folks still lose all the time. So Trump's pettiness and motivation has nothing to do with him winning and it doesn't affix any blame on Obama

You need to stop focusing on the TMZ like "minor reasons," and be more captain obvious-isc with your conclusions by realizing that since Clinton created the birther movement in '07/'08, folks questioning Obama's citizenship was nothing new to the political world

The media jumped back onto the birther bandwagon cause Trump is/was a gaurantee high ratings for them and they also wanted to low key "expose" him as being a goofball

 

[NaijaProdigy Redux]

You guys are kidding yourselves if you think the Dems are running anyone but a white male in 2020.

Nina Turner?

 

[Regular_P]

Early pick for what nom? Not potus

I think she has a really good chance if she chooses to run.