Bernie Sanders' Message to Voters About Gaza

[Still Benefited]

If you care half as much about what Israel is doing, you cannot be morally indifferent to Trump winning.

I dont care that much about what Israel is doing. Just pointing out the same circular logic used over and over again to guilt/shame black people into voting for Democrats.

Also being indifferent is perfeftly fine,if morally you dont think people sending billions to assist in genocide is "okay". Not for you to determine where people comprise or draw the line on that. They want everybody to comprimise but wont check Netanyahu and shame him for not doing so

My stance is consistent,I think Palestinians should pack it up leave at this point.But they dont want to comprimise their moral stance either apparently

 

[Conan]

Anyone that is making excuses for a literal genocide cant be reasoned with, stop arguing with them

True. But it's fun

Some people are honest enough to say they either hate Palestinians or don't give a fukk that they are hugely complicit in their slaughter. And as much as they're despicable, there's something to admire about their honesty

It's the "I do care but wait after the election" folks that kill me. Or people who make it seem like Kamala is a better option for Palestine in any tangible way that makes sense.

 

[UpNext]

True. But it's fun

Some people are honest enough to say they either hate Palestinians or don't give a fukk that they are hugely complicit in their slaughter. And as much as they're despicable, there's something to admire about their honesty

It's the "I do care but wait after the election" folks that kill me. Or people who make it seem like Kamala is a better option for Palestine in any tangible way that makes sense.

Same. I'm having trouble deciding if they're disingenuous or genuinely stupid.

 

[Conan]

Same. I'm having trouble deciding if they're disingenuous or genuinely stupid.

With time you can tell... and sometimes it's both

Case in point: OP who can't state with his chest what an acceptable level of genocide is

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Her policy is better than Trump's, and she can change if there is a decent pressure campaign.

Your emotions may tell you they're exactly the same, but you know that's not true.

There are two choices:
1. The status quo where America continues to express "concern" and ask Israel for a ceasefire with zero consequences if they tell America to shut the fukk up and send more weapons.

2. Someone who will accelerate the genocide and make sure it's done and that our media never speaks on it again.

The Gazan child can watch his family die, then go to an aid camp the US is funding so he can be killed there by the IDF, or he could die with his entire family as the city is reduced to dust and naziyahu with full Trump backing says "Hamas killed all the hostages and this was our only chance to eliminate them. It's regrettable that 2million people died in the process, but we can breathe a relief knowing their Gaza contingent is gone. Now we will make sure they can't regroup in the west bank"

And Trump will tell them "damn straight!" And make sure they get the ordinance to carry out a genocide there too.

Democrats have made their position clear. They want Israel to choose to stop but they have zero intention of stopping weapons shipments or any other kind of aid to Israel. This is literally like telling Hitler to stop gassing jews while sending him shipments of Zyklon B and steel to construct cattle cars on trains to the death camps. These are empty, meaningless words that they hope will look good in the context of history. They hope after the genocide is over, they can say "we were against it and asked Israel to stop" and people will conveniently forget that they did not oppose any weapons shipments going there.

Unfortunately for them, this isn't the 90s anymore where information is only disseminated through domestic mainstream media. This is a globalized world where all the hypocrisy, bias, political cowardice and stupidity are captured by various media outlets and private individuals around the world. Your legacy will be tainted if you didn't take ACTIVE steps to stop this.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

people using Gaza as a reason not to vote for Kamala need to take their asses to the closest UN humanitarian aid center and volunteer. it's like they want to be trendy anti-american over something that, if you really looked at the history of this country, wasn't gonna change.

but, letting that be the straw that breaks your back, or the issue that flips your vote is laughable and is telling of our privilege as americans

This

First, there is literally nothing she can do about Gaza outside of wagging a finger at them publicly. But she won’t do that out of respect to Biden and how his administration is handling it.

Second, if you only knew the shyt this country does behind the scenes. Every country for the most part. You are not going to get everything right or make EVERYONE happy. The war in Gaza probably should be put in check but thats not on Harris until November 5th.

 

[Black Panther]

With time you can tell... and sometimes it's both

Case in point: OP who can't state with his chest what an acceptable level of genocide is

The acceptable level is zero.

Obviously.

But if it's occurring already, you try to save as many lives as you can.

If that means you have to choose between 700 and 1000 deaths and there's no third option to prevent any deaths, then I'd pick 700 and be satisfied with my choice.

Clutch your pearls if you must. But that's the consequences of the real world.

 

[ThatTruth777]

Like that issue is fukked up but people forgetting about domestic issues. If that idiot gets back in, he'll likely get 2 more Supreme Court picks and appoint more shyt judges while gutting departments and etc etc. They're gonna crash the car into the wall harder than they have ever done before.

 

[Osmosis]

Of course, Kamala will be better than Trump on this but it's disappointing because that's not really saying much.

Both parties need to figure this out. Israel has the right to defend itself but so many innocent folks are getting caught up...it amazes me how folks can pick a side in the Israel/Gaza conflict...that shyt is complicated AF

Nothing complicated about genocide

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Like that issue is fukked up but people forgetting about domestic issues. If that idiot gets back in, he'll likely get 2 more Supreme Court picks and appoint more shyt judges while gutting departments and etc etc. They're gonna crash the car into the wall harder than they have ever done before.

Dems not going to solve our issues regardless bruh

Especially now that they're moving more to the right

Any solutions aren't going to come thru just voting

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Dems not going to solve our issues regardless bruh

Especially now that they're moving more to the right

Any solutions aren't going to come thru just voting

Voting alone may not be the entire solution, but it is a powerful tool in shaping the system we want to change. While electing people open to reform doesn't guarantee immediate solutions, it does mean that advocacy and activism have a better chance of being heard than they would under officials resistant to those demands.

Voting can help build a more receptive government, fostering a landscape where public pressure and grassroots efforts can gain traction, especially at the local level. Like, no one seriously believes voting is the only approach. We understand that change requires *multiple* strategies, from direct action to organizing and protests, and so on. These actions all work together. I'm not telling you what to do, but I am not sitting out or voting for third parties, especially when I live in a swing state, doubly so under our winner-takes-all system.

 

[King_Kamala61]

I think Kamala will have a different approach to Israel and Gaza. I really feel she's been hesitant as she didn't want to say anything that would be viewed as shytting on Joe.

She is married to a Zionist Jew who will literally be in the white house.

Y'all tripping

 

[Conan]

The acceptable level is zero.

Obviously.

But if it's occurring already, you try to save as many lives as you can.

If that means you have to choose between 700 and 1000 deaths and there's no third option to prevent any deaths, then I'd pick 700 and be satisfied with my choice.

Clutch your pearls if you must. But that's the consequences of the real world.

Thank you for being honest. To choose the lesser of 2 evils is a valid choice and I won't fault anyone who votes for Kamala in the mindset of harm minimization (regarding Israel I'm cynical about it but I'm a cynic in general).

On the other hand, I will not fault anyone who is so disgusted by both sides' callousness on the issue, that they abstain from voting.

Even for those who are driven to the point of voting for Trump in a crash-out mentality or to stick it to the Democrats... I wouldn't do it, but I understand, and I'm not hating on them either.

The party has made it's stance clear. The voters have a right to respond how they feel. May the best candidate win

 

[Conan]

She is married to a Zionist Jew who will literally be in the white house.

Y'all tripping

For real.

But who knows, stranger things have happened

 

[King_Kamala61]

For real.

But who knows, stranger things have happened

We have to take a stand as black Americans to the Dems cause I assure based on evidence and trends ..our asses is next by the Dems hand