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She's literally said she's not changing her policy.
Yeah, I don't know why people are pretending she's confused and hasn't made her position clear.

She's snubbed Arab and Muslim delegates, repeats IDF talking points, emphatically states her allegiance to Israel.

I don't know how many other ways she can say she's not changing course for these people to believe her. :skip:
 

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Yeah, I don't know why people are pretending she's confused and hasn't made her position clear.

She's snubbed Arab and Muslim delegates, repeats IDF talking points, emphatically states her allegiance to Israel.

I don't know how many other ways she can say she's not changing course for these people to believe her. :skip:

What should we do about it?

And who do we have a better chance at swaying on this issue: the man who wants to build a Trump Tower in the West Bank, or the former senator who voted to the left of Bernie Sanders on most issues?
 

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Yeah, I don't know why people are pretending she's confused and hasn't made her position clear.

She's snubbed Arab and Muslim delegates, repeats IDF talking points, emphatically states her allegiance to Israel.

I don't know how many other ways she can say she's not changing course for these people to believe her. :skip:


 

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Stop pretending she's not clear on her position or that she can be moved and just vote for her.
Her policy is better than Trump's, and she can change if there is a decent pressure campaign.

You may think I'm naive for believing that, but we have to do something.

And a pressure campaign can't be successful before she wins the presidency.

Sorry to break it to you, but we only have the two options right now.
 

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"Why should I vote for Kamala? Its not like it can get worse :heh:"


Yknow whats worse?
A Trump presidency and Justices/Cabinet selections continuing to destabalize the federal govt and upset our democratic process, impeding these dumb asses very ability to even support the Palestinians. Why do they think it wont happen?

All the bytching and navel gazing analysis of our "heTeroRnOrMATiVe CiSgEnderEd PAtriArcHiAl CApiTalIst WArMOnGeRINg OPPreSsiVe SySteM!" to shyt on democrats and morally abstain and at the same time, these idiots really dont think this same flawed system cant or wouldnt be used to really fukk shyt up domestically?
 
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Of course, Kamala will be better than Trump on this but it's disappointing because that's not really saying much.

Both parties need to figure this out. Israel has the right to defend itself but so many innocent folks are getting caught up...it amazes me how folks can pick a side in the Israel/Gaza conflict...that shyt is complicated AF
 
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You may think I'm naive for believing that, but we have to do something.

Sorry to break it to you, but we only have the two options right now.
At least you can admit you're being naive.

Like I said, she's been clear on what her position is. It is not "better" than Trump's; they both support perpetrators of a genocide. You try making the distinction to people whose family will die either way there.

And there's been campaigns, since she was selected as the nominee, to pressure her away. There are many documented instances in which she's suppressed, rebuffed, or ignored that pressure. There's an example literally above the post you're quoting.

Again, if she was going to change her mind, she would. She's done it on a number of things from 2019 to now. This is not one of those things. You can thank AIPAC and CUI for that
 

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These motherfukkers basically describe the system as a Halo/Death Star style superweapon and their takeaway is "Well Halo/The Death Star just SHOULDNT exist and I wont be participating in a system that allows for these things to exist!"

But Halo/ The Death Star does exist. And its not going away, Any. Time. Soon.

So in the meantime, shouldnt we yknow, stop Halo/Death Star from falling into someones hands who would use it for way more nefarious purposes?
 
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Of course, Kamala will be better than Trump on this but it's disappointing because that's not really saying much.

Both parties need to figure this out. Israel has the right to defend itself but so many innocent folks are getting caught up...it amazes me how folks can pick a side, this shyt is complicated AF

To the bolded, it's not that complicated. Just understand that just because you vote that doesn't mean the work is done.

Voting is literally the bottom-level easiest thing you can do to enact societal change. No one is saying that's all that we need to do.
 

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To the bolded, it's not that complicated. Just understand that just because you vote that doesn't mean the work is done.

Voting is literally the bottom-level easiest thing you can do to enact societal change. No one is saying that's all that we need to do.
Oh no sorry, I meant the Israel/Gaza conflict. I'll rephrase my original post
 
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