Bernie needs to connect with black voters. Here’s how that’s going.

[Pure Water]

The difference between Sanders and Warren, aside from reparations, is that Warren crafts her messages to specifically and explicitly address black issues. For instance, her answer on the maternity death rate for AA women. Her solution is not going to help only AA women. It'll help all women. However, she doesn't say that. In fact, in a lot of cases she makes it a point not to "all lives matter" the solution. She speaks directly to the black issue.

Aside from reparations and redlining, Warren's solutions have to benefit all Americans. But she just does a better job of communicating how her solutions help black people than the other candidates. Sanders has to learn how to do that.

Which I love, but it's the exact reason she would lose a presidential election.

 

[88m3]

This is obviously false based on my posts in this thread alone.

Is it fair that "progressives" are trying to tar and feather our grandmothers, mothers, wives, and sisters because they weren't blown away by Bernard and Tulsi?

What did that guy call them earlier establishment dems and blue checkmarks?


This is insane.

 

[88m3]

How can it be an establishment crowd when Kalama was received tepidly, Klobuchar is still a second or third thought, and they wholly embraced Liz? This is the spin that doesn’t make sense...are Liz and Bernie not the same faction (for the purposes of this field) should kamala not have walked in there with a head start then? Smh

The more I read this thread and responses to this matter in the other dem threads is that black women aren't allowed to have an opinion. The antithesis of the whole event.


If these women aren't buying what Bernie or whoever is selling it's on the candidate to fix it because it's not the other way around.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Is it fair that "progressives" are trying to tar and feather our grandmothers, mothers, wives, and sisters because they weren't blown away by Bernard and Tulsi?

What did that guy call them earlier establishment dems and blue checkmarks?

This is insane.

Most of the "progressives" on this board aren't blown away by Tulsi either so that's another misguided attack. I've cast shade in her direction.

I agree that people shytting on Black women for supporting a different candidate are talking some bullshyt. Have you seen me, personally, talking out of hand though? I think I remember the comment you're talking about but I can't find it now, didn't everyone just ignore him and move on? It was too foolish to engage with that shyt - I haven't responded to 75% of the anti-Bernie slander in this thread either. Don't lump me or @FAH1223 or any other quality progressive posters in with people who are talking about this shyt like they talk about sports teams.

Like I've said repeatedly, I have no problem with people who prefer other candidates on the issues. I like Warren too, more than Bernie in several ways, and I've had good things to say about most of the candidates in the field at one time or another (except Biden ). I have no problem with people who think that Bernie is too old, or not specific enough, or just doesn't click with them. I'm only calling out two bad narratives - its stupid to say that Bernie being active in the CRM isn't a positive, and its misleading to claim that he was on the wrong side of the mass incarceration issue. Bernie's got receipts for standing up with Black people way back before it was popular, and Bernie's got receipts for standing up against mass incarceration back before it was popular. I'm projecting clarity on those two issues and that's all.

 

[Pressure]

He voted for the bill despite his "reservations."

 

[Pressure]

Well Gee golly, as long as he wasn't happy doing it we shouldn't criticize him.

 

[Piffery]

Only Bernie could cross the color barrier of the Democratic party by being the only person to endorse Jesse Jackson and literally (like physically) be slapped by a white woman Democrat on the house floor for it, and still be painted as somehow horrid on race depsite his life long leftism.

Well Gee golly, as long as he wasn't happy doing it we shouldn't criticize him.

Or you could be honest and see that a candidate who knew the "intersectional" reasons the bill would negatively affect black Americans and didn't have a press run for it, is better than the opposite.

"No nuance needed."

Why isn't nuance needed when he was literally right and to this day continues to express the most left leaning stances of any candidate on criminal justice, sans Corey Booker.

 

[Pressure]

Or you could be honest and see that a candidate who knew the "intersectional" reasons the bill would negatively affect black Americans and didn't have a press run for it, is better than the opposite.

"No nuance needed."

Why isn't nuance needed when he was literally right and to this day continues to express the most left leaning stances of any candidate on criminal justice, sans Corey Booker.

Because if it's affect on black people was that important to him he would have voted no. Clearly he felt the other provisions were more important than the harm.

Its pretty straight forward. We're talking about connecting with black voters. This is the heart of the black issue.

 

[Piffery]

Because if it's affect on black people was that important to him he would have voted no. Clearly he felt the other provisions were more important than the harm.

Its pretty straight forward. We're talking about connecting with black voters. This is the heart of the black issue.

And it's silly.
Facts, the only person near Bernie (and better in some ways) on criminal justice is Corey Booker.
Facts, the bill was going to pass anyways.
Facts, it's perfectly valid to course attack Bernie on the grounds that abstaining on principle was better than a vote for the other provision he wanted, but it's patently absurd to ignore or play down his speech, when half of his critics and those blue check folks complain about Bernie not being "intersectional" when that speech was everything they claim to want.

I could literally care less about this line of critique on Bernie, I find it one of the least valid.

 

[Pressure]

And it's silly.
Facts, the only person near Bernie (and better in some ways) on criminal justice is Corey Booker.
Facts, the bill was going to pass anyways.
Facts, it's perfectly valid to course attack Bernie on the grounds that abstaining on principle was better than a vote for the other provision he wanted, but it's patently absurd to ignore or play down his speech, when half of his critics and those blue check folks complain about Bernie not being "intersectional" when that speech was everything they claim to want.

I could literally care less about this line of critique on Bernie, I find it one of the least valid.

Just because it's uncomfortable doesn't make it invalid.

Bernie has struggled to connect with southern black voters. It cost him the nomination in 2016.

It got him jeers earlier this week in Texas.

It's a reason why you are seeing a lot of black men and women warm up to Elizabeth Warren.

Some of you coastal liberal types are out of touch.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And it's silly.
Facts, the only person near Bernie (and better in some ways) on criminal justice is Corey Booker.
Facts, the bill was going to pass anyways.
Facts, it's perfectly valid to course attack Bernie on the grounds that abstaining on principle was better than a vote for the other provision he wanted, but it's patently absurd to ignore or play down his speech, when half of his critics and those blue check folks complain about Bernie not being "intersectional" when that speech was everything they claim to want.

I could literally care less about this line of critique on Bernie, I find it one of the least valid.

100% no doubt that if Bernie had voted against the bill due to the mass incarceration issue, there would be committed establishment people talking shade saying, "But Bernie voted against the Violence Against Women Act, do we need any more proof of his sexism!" Then when you pointed out that it was because of the incarceration issues, they would be saying, "Typical of Bernie Bros to cast women to the side and continue to allow them to be vulnerable to violence in order to chase his own pet issues."

 

[Pressure]

Bernie stans are turning into the Hillary stans they hated so much.

 

[Pressure]

100% no doubt that if Bernie had voted against the bill due to the mass incarceration issue, there would be committed establishment people talking shade saying, "But Bernie voted against the Violence Against Women Act, do we need any more proof of his sexism!" Then when you pointed out that it was because of the incarceration issues, they would be saying, "Typical of Bernie Bros to cast women to the side and continue to allow them to be vulnerable to violence in order to chase his own pet issues."

So you agree, he weighed the pros and cons and it was more beneficial for him to cater to the woman vote than the black vote back then.

 

[FAH1223]

Only Bernie could cross the color barrier of the Democratic party by being the only person to endorse Jesse Jackson and literally (like physically) be slapped by a white woman Democrat on the house floor for it, and still be painted as somehow horrid on race depsite his life long leftism.



Or you could be honest and see that a candidate who knew the "intersectional" reasons the bill would negatively affect black Americans and didn't have a press run for it, is better than the opposite.

"No nuance needed."

Why isn't nuance needed when he was literally right and to this day continues to express the most left leaning stances of any candidate on criminal justice, sans Corey Booker.

That white woman slapping Bernie for endorsing Jackson in 1988 has now manifested into the Twitter hate crew now :bernielaugh:

 

[Pressure]

Facts, the only person near Bernie (and better in some ways) on criminal justice is Corey Booker.

Chuck Grassley