Benny the Butcher - Tana Talk 4 (Discussion Thread)

[darealvelle]

Surprised nobody immediately thought of this one from Curren$y when that one came on


pretty much the same beat

I noticed

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I need you to explain this statement that "it was objectively easier to make fake changing and pioneer groundbreaking level shyt like what RZA was doing".
If we apply the law of averages the proportion of producers that are ground breaking should be the same throughout hip hop history, if we consider 5-10 periods. Even with the easy access to beatmaking software.
I think that these new sounds/techniques get lost in the sheer amount of music you are exposed to. I am not up on the new trends but when I heard that Pop smoke "Welcome to the party", I knew that the beat making technique was different and groundbreaking as I have never heard anything like that before.

I can absolutely explain it, because I'm super passionate about this overall topic.

There are absolutely new techniques and what not. But as far as making entire albums that will move old heads in the same way that they got moved by 36, Illmatic, Cuban Linx, Etc? It's not gonna happen. For one reason, time makes things less exciting for most people. When older heads were younger they had heard less overall music and were easier to impress. For another reason, in the 90's hip-hop was still new as a genre. RZA could flip vocal samples and blow people's minds off that alone.

I don't think that all the older heads today understand that albums like the ones by MadGibbs or BoldChemist are influencing some younger listeners now in similar ways that us older heads were influenced by Liquid Swords, Reasonable Doubt, etc. WE might disagree, but our vote isn't the only one that counts. Not all of the young cats listen to bullshyt, and they get a vote too. A lot of them love many of these TDE, Griselda, MadGibbs, and BoldChemist albums.

The older heads insisting that Madlib or Alchemist has to produce an album as influential to the game as Cuban Linx or an Infamous before rating them a top 5 producer shouldn't hold their breath waiting for that to happen. Our generation will never be impressed like that again... they've heard way too much music and are too hard to impress. I actually think it's starting to get unfair for EVERY album to have to be as good as golden era Source 5-mic albums in order to be considered classics.

 

[stave]

I will say, I would love to hear Eminem over beats like these. How does he have a relationship with Alc and can't make a lil 6 song mixtape

All he would do is speed them up and start rapping fast about nothing, wasting gems

Putting stupid ass hi hats and snares all over that bullshyt
With clapping

nobody wanna hear that shyt

 

[neph27]

Theres so little replay value on this its hard to comprehend.

The raps are great...but so what?

you a whole agenda having ass lame.

stay in yo lane kulpreet your arms are too short to box with god

 

[Izanami]

This album makes me think what Jada could've did in his prime if he had tight focused vision or a single producer project. Them late 90's-2000's commercial formula projects didn't work for everybody.

It's a gift knowing your sound and what you do well.

jada issue is trying to recreate the LAD formula Big created. Also swizz being so hit and miss.

 

[pete clemenza]

Somebody wrote all the Crack Commandments down out on Youtube...

20. make sure that you count the money
19. don't ever burn the plug
18. test that work before you buy it
17. take care of the people around you
16. stack that paper
15. buy shyt that can be sold
14. lead by example
13. chase money not fame
12. Stand for somethin' or fall for anything
11. first chance you get, Get out the game
10. don’t take work on consignment
9. If you ain't gettin' bagged, don’t be seen with police under any circumstances
8. never keep no weight on you
7. keep your family and business completely separated
6. no IOU’s
5. never sell no crack where you rest at
4. never get high on your own supply
3. never trust nobody
2. never let 'em know your next move
1. never let no one know how much money you have


Album is flames. I think that Tana Talk albums should be his darkest bleakest grimiest shyt. Also I still think he needs to expand his subject matter but it hasn't slowed him down yet so

 

[Izanami]

I will say, I would love to hear Eminem over beats like these. How does he have a relationship with Alc and can't make a lil 6 song mixtape

I agree. Em over these type of beats with his Relapse style of rhyming would be dope but musically he is tone deaf and devoid of any quality control. But why would he when his fans eat up anything he puts out?

 

[Heavy_Handz]

The way that Alchemist reached into his bag & grabbed so many sounds for this album I really wish he would have produced the whole thing. Daringer is the OG Griselda sound so I know he needs to be involved but let’s be honest his beats do tend to sound similar in a lot of ways. The shyt Alchemist did on this album was remarkable. I can’t say it enough

 

[African_brehda]

Can’t someone ban Nap hating fakkit ass out of the thread?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

jada issue is trying to recreate the LAD formula Big created. Also swizz being so hit and miss.

There was a review of Kiss of Death on RYM that summed him up perfectly:

If I'm being honest, rappers like Jadakiss are some of the most boring album makers in the world. These are the type of rappers that sound a little too caught up in trying to prove one thing or another, rather than focusing on saying exactly what they think. Too often the rhymes struggle with being covered in pop culture references, ladies raps or gangster posturing. It's hard to figure out exactly who Jadakiss is, all we know is that he's a rapper and he's got some lines for us. I enjoy him on features but unfortunately Jada sounds to me like another casualty of the Jiggy era and confused about what exactly a rapper is. His music seems to come form a heartfelt place, but the way he presents the music is entirely commercial and unartistic.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

I agree. Em over these type of beats with his Relapse style of rhyming would be dope but musically he is tone deaf and devoid of any quality control. But why would he when his fans eat up anything he puts out?

All good points

 

[ShaDynasty]

Sounds incredible. No wasted moments.

Mr Chow was a great way to end the record.

 

[Redwing80]

This album makes me think what Jada could've did in his prime if he had tight focused vision or a single producer project. Them late 90's-2000's commercial formula projects didn't work for everybody.

It's a gift knowing your sound and what you do well.

I think about this shyt all the time.

Still no excuse for him not doing it now though

 

[Redwing80]

He’s cemented. I don’t wanna hear shyt. There might be more technical beatmakers but Al is as good a producer as you’ll find.

Dude knows exactly what bags to dip into for each artist and knows how to showcase them first while still displaying his own skill.

That Bust a Brick Nick beat is nasty

Then he puts his classic tag at the end just to make sure nikkas know who the goat is

 

[Heavy_Handz]

There was a review of Kiss of Death on RYM that summed him up perfectly:

Kiss Of Death album was FIRE