Benny The Butcher - Tana Talk #3 (Discussion Thread)
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Damn he at sobs tonight?Benny tearing down SOBs right now....
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Yea....I’m checking out the Griselda live on ig
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Tana Talk 3 vinyl going live Monday on Daupe next Monday, gonna try to get one 
I'm just now seeing this andThe album is good, if I make a list it'll be on there...but I feel like Benny needs some direction as an artist and rapper. Nearly every song has the exact same flow pattern - either through most of the song or at some point or another. That stutter stop flow, almost like he's adding commas to verses. He uses a lot of the same words over and over; at this point I don't know if he can go 100 bars without mentioning a plug, or a relative or friend who did something drug related. I think back to Hov's drug raps, or Esco Nas, or even more recently Pusha...there was a level of variety at play. Benny is certainly more of the "dealer on the street" perspective than any of those rappers, but even still I feel like there should be more variety in vocabulary and drug rap shyt.
I like diversity. I get tired of hearing people rap about the exact same shyt every song, every project...and it makes it impossible for them to grow. Some people get away with it...I think Roc Marciano avoids that trap because of his wit and humor, for instance. But Benny and Conway are just stuck in this super nikka phase and I fear it'll prevent them from making something that is truly great, instead of something that is dope but derivative. Conway gave a glimpse of what he can do on The Cow, with that emotional verse about surviving the shooting. But ever since then he's been back on his pure gangsta/scumbag shyt outside of a couple tracks.
I want to hear Benny rap about his brother more, as a brother. Not just as "my brother was a super nikka and I miss him" shyt. He raps about him like WSG and Conway do, yet he was a blood relative...come on. I just feel like a producer needs to sit him down and tell him these things. Alchemist has worked with LEGENDS. Maybe he could do it. To me the question is "do you want to be G Rap, or Nas?" G Rap is one of the greatest rappers of all time, and he mastered what I still think is the best rap flow. But his subject matter never evolved - in fact it devolved from the DJ Polo era to the solo albums. Do you want to be in your 30s, 40s, 50s...rapping about super nikka shyt? Or do you want to expand...still provide the dope gangsta shyt, but also give me some social commentary about where you come from, where you want to go, what it's like to be locked up and miss so many fatherhood related things, the struggles of being married while in the game, etc etc.
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and you're really not wrong. I think this is fantastic but he does keep the same cadence for the most part, and I'm not sure if he can pull it off again. If I can be super honest, Griselda is great in spurts. I tried listening to their projects back to back one day and it just didn't work out
As much as I like Benny and Conway this is on point and a very legit concern.The album is good, if I make a list it'll be on there...but I feel like Benny needs some direction as an artist and rapper. Nearly every song has the exact same flow pattern - either through most of the song or at some point or another. That stutter stop flow, almost like he's adding commas to verses. He uses a lot of the same words over and over; at this point I don't know if he can go 100 bars without mentioning a plug, or a relative or friend who did something drug related. I think back to Hov's drug raps, or Esco Nas, or even more recently Pusha...there was a level of variety at play. Benny is certainly more of the "dealer on the street" perspective than any of those rappers, but even still I feel like there should be more variety in vocabulary and drug rap shyt.
I like diversity. I get tired of hearing people rap about the exact same shyt every song, every project...and it makes it impossible for them to grow. Some people get away with it...I think Roc Marciano avoids that trap because of his wit and humor, for instance. But Benny and Conway are just stuck in this super nikka phase and I fear it'll prevent them from making something that is truly great, instead of something that is dope but derivative. Conway gave a glimpse of what he can do on The Cow, with that emotional verse about surviving the shooting. But ever since then he's been back on his pure gangsta/scumbag shyt outside of a couple tracks.
I want to hear Benny rap about his brother more, as a brother. Not just as "my brother was a super nikka and I miss him" shyt. He raps about him like WSG and Conway do, yet he was a blood relative...come on. I just feel like a producer needs to sit him down and tell him these things. Alchemist has worked with LEGENDS. Maybe he could do it. To me the question is "do you want to be G Rap, or Nas?" G Rap is one of the greatest rappers of all time, and he mastered what I still think is the best rap flow. But his subject matter never evolved - in fact it devolved from the DJ Polo era to the solo albums. Do you want to be in your 30s, 40s, 50s...rapping about super nikka shyt? Or do you want to expand...still provide the dope gangsta shyt, but also give me some social commentary about where you come from, where you want to go, what it's like to be locked up and miss so many fatherhood related things, the struggles of being married while in the game, etc etc.
Ironically enough I think WSG is the one that is versatile enough to give you something different every time and not be pigeonholed.
Roc is definitely the elevated version of both Con and Benny IMO as far as being witty and humorous (if he just learns how to mix shyt right or at least let Al handle the bulk of the mastering and mixing. Fabio is a perfect example of Al and Roc at their utmost best)
TheDarceKnight
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They dope live too:Kobet:
my favorite out of the bunch and while he isn't the best with the word play outta the 3, he has that it factor along with an unbelievable voice. swag on a trillion... for instance that raisen bagel joint makes no sense
true their subject matter does get a bit redundant, piff perkins ain't lying but i'm good with it anyway. their songs are simply incredible despite the flaws
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Gotta be honest I was surprised (or maybe I shouldn't be) that
A: He performed the entire album (in order) besides 1 or 2 songs.
B: the crowd basically rapped along with the entire album and not just the hooks.
A lot of rappers will advertise that they're performing a full album but rarely actually do. Doing stuff like this really helps cements an album's status.
Also props to that DJ when Conway performed '94 Ghost for switching the beat on the 2nd verse to Motherless Child. I like in live shows when they did little change ups like that.
Where's Araab been? I feel like I haven't heard his name in a minute.
I can't hear that sample and not think of this though.
prod. 9th Wonder
A: He performed the entire album (in order) besides 1 or 2 songs.
B: the crowd basically rapped along with the entire album and not just the hooks.
A lot of rappers will advertise that they're performing a full album but rarely actually do. Doing stuff like this really helps cements an album's status.
Also props to that DJ when Conway performed '94 Ghost for switching the beat on the 2nd verse to Motherless Child. I like in live shows when they did little change ups like that.
New Surf and Benny!!!!
AraabMuzik production
Where's Araab been? I feel like I haven't heard his name in a minute.
I can't hear that sample and not think of this though.
prod. 9th Wonder