In sum, I'm just saying, what you seem to be reading and watching about Islam from two threads I've seen you make is just really factually and theoretically weak. You'd be better served by looking at actual scholarly sources, that's all.
BBC4's "Islam: The Untold Story" (2012)
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We seem to be talking past each other. The issue about an angel revealing the Quran is different from the issue of whether the other guys in Makkah got the Quran from hearing it from Muhammad. There are actual graves of men who died in the inter-tribal fighting over Muhammad's message brehThere are peace treaties and specific hills and things. Caves and carvings and trading trails. He was there alright.
When it comes to the Quran, you're essentially saying, what's the proof that all the primary evidence isn't faked a few decades later. But nobody can prove a negative. Maybe people who think it was composed later should do the proving.
My only interest are the Quran and it's origins bro.
I asked you to point me in the direction of some but......
What's the point when the conclusions will either be labeled a "conspiracy" or that the Quran is the actual word of God. If my only goal is to find out the origins of the book and I already admit that I don't subscribe to supernatural concepts, then you already stated that it will be a futile attempt on my part. What scholarship would help me seek an answer to the questions I seek?
It sounds like you're saying none at all.
Absolutely. But this is not what Muslims believe. According to them the book is so great that it could have only been authored by God himself.
but yeah, that makes sense though. However I don't know enough about his educational background to be able to determine if he was capable of such a thing. Muslims believe he was allegedly illiterate (but that doesn't necessarily mean he was stupid, I'm sure alot of people were illiterate back then) Most muslims I know imply that he was too stupid to create the words from the book himself though. He'd just say the shyt out loud and his peoples would write it down......
He must of had a very great memory to remember all that shyt the Angel told him tho
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breh there are a zillion books and whole continuous decades-long peer reviewed periodicals dedicated to religion and middle eastern history... google it. go to wikipedia or something. I don't know of any off the top of my head but both the book and this video doc OP posted were completely misguided; the former dismissed in peer reviewed journals and the latter not even a worthwhile doc as reviewed a few posts above
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I SEE SOME FAVORABLE REVIEWS AND SOME UNFAVORABLE ONES FROM PREDICTABLE SOURCES BROTHER! I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION OF THESE SPECIFIC PEER REVIEWED JOURNALS THAT DISMISS THE BOOK, DUDE!
The OP posted some terrible book a few weeks ago that was full of trash polemics about the Quran that's the one I mean... I might have posted in that thread I'll have to look for it
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It was a pretty weak documentary, but what do you expect from a Christian, he's not going to go too deep when his faith is just as flimsy, but it comes down to do you trust oral history, anyone whos played chinese wispers must know how precarious it is.
EDIT: not that it matter too much but this is a Channel 4 documentary not BBC
EDIT: not that it matter too much but this is a Channel 4 documentary not BBC
I turned it off after 5 minutes 