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but wasn't it said that certain dogs can kill tigers because of their weak necks?
anyway i'm in for the fukkery of mutant tigers vs scientific genetic lions
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but wasn't it said that certain dogs can kill tigers because of their weak necks?
anyway i'm in for the fukkery of mutant tigers vs scientific genetic lions
I'll go by what I've seen though, and about every tiger I've seen, whether in person, or in pictures or video, does not look "thin". Yeah, those pics in particular were hand picked, but were only meant to add to my point. Other big cats could be described as thin such as Jaguars, Leopards, Cougars, Cheetahs...etc in comparison....but Tigers?Yeah they're tall/long, but far from thin. Those things are fukking tanks.
again, there are exceptions, look at these pair of siberian tigers in ringling laceys act:
They look quite bulky, even bulkier than the lion, heres those exact same tigers from another angle:
Not so bulky now? The most common word used in natural history books, for discribing the tiger is litheThe tiger is built long, this has nothing to do with the photos, its their adaptation for jungle environment such as mangroves, they are built long like a snake to intertwine an navigate through dense habitation, lions are built short and compact, they are built shorter like the hyena, their back side is shorter than all of the big cats in body composition, this is due to having a better protecting factor when facing most rival hyenas, who target the back area when ganging up, lions are built top heavy, bears are built bottom heavy and tigers are built like the longest...all for their natural habitat.
Plus I can show a pit bull who has a compact body and magnify the picture close like those, doesn't mean I can prove that the pitbull is 600+ lbs. Although kazaringa tigers are noted the largest of tigers, none have been weighed and some estimates from fateh singh said they were just 350 lbs. Hence you are looking at body definition, not body mass. And if you read these same natural history books like I mentioned, you would have read by these biologist like sidensticker, sunquesit ect that the tiger looks bulkier because he is shorter, has much shorter limbs, which lions also have manes, which gives the deception of making his arms appear thinner, but still anyone or any pic who has shown both next to each other would see the lion is much taller and at the same time has thicker arms, the tigers appears that way as an illusion of being shorter.
Grizzly sh!ts on all of them
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I still can't believe that video of 4 lions attacking the king then eating him
I've never heard of 4 males being part of a staff and crew. It's sad what they did to that lion after his partner dipped
Honestly can we blame him for dipping?
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again, there are exceptions, look at these pair of siberian tigers in ringling laceys act:
They look quite bulky, even bulkier than the lion, heres those exact same tigers from another angle:
Not so bulky now? The tiger is built long, this has nothing to do with the photos, its their adaptation for jungle environment such as mangroves, they are built long like a snake to intertwine an navigate through dense habitation, lions are built short and compact, they are built shorter like the hyena, their back side is shorter than all of the big cats in body composition, this is due to having a better protecting factor when facing most rival hyenas, who target the back area when ganging up, lions are built top heavy, bears are built bottom heavy and tigers are built like the longest...all for their natural habitat.
Plus I can show a pit bull who has a compact body and magnify the picture close like those, doesn't mean I can prove that the pitbull is 600+ lbs. Although kazaringa tigers are noted the largest of tigers, none have been weighed and some estimates from fateh singh said they were just 350 lbs. Hence you are looking at body definition, not body mass.
Those dont look like fully grown adult tigers...you cant compare juvenile tigers and adult lions....You see that pic of the tiger standing straight up.
That adult is bigger than this lion...
I was about to say, those tigers looked about this size, and this tiger was definitely a juvenile
No. Lions and Tigers kill predators/prey larger than Grizzlies on the reg. Siberian Tigers prey upon Brown Bears in russia. A Grizzly would be an easy kill to a Lion or a Tiger.
That lions name is Caesar, they all belong to Alexander lacey and his brothers act, they stated Caesar is the dominant animal in the act, and they all are the same ages, give a take a few month differences...again you cant argue what is scientific fact, if you read the links I showed, the entire scientific community agrees the lion is taller and more compact than the tiger, not only that, every photo in existence to show will uphold this:
Nalla (400 lbs) and Detonator (600 lbs) Lioness still taller than male tiger:
Alex kerr:
Lion in the back much taller than tigers next to him:
Same again here, tiger in the back shorter than lions even with the lion on a lower pedestal:
Upper body larger than tigers:
Can you show me tigers in the wild weighing heavier than these...
Finally when I had lost consciousness one of the party sneaked up and placed the muzzle of his gun at the lions ear and let her go killing him instantly I was three months recovering and then three of my ribs were crushed and this arm was a reminder The lion weighed 900 pounds and measured over seven feet
The Salt Lake Herald from Salt Lake City, Utah · Page 1
East African Business Digest - Page 13
TWO mamuding lions which, since January this year, killed 244 cattle and three donkeys, were shot at lssuna village in Tanganyika. The lions were found to weigh 700 and 800 lb.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q="TWO+mamu ding+lions+which,+since+January+ this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and +three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lss una+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+l ions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and +800+lb."&oq="TWO+mamuding+lions +which,+since+January+this+year, +killed+244+cattle+and+three+don keys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+villag e+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+ found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb."& gs_l=serp.3...637200.642782.0.64 2982.3.3.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0.. .1c.1j2.64.serp..3.0.0.HJFY1GLZ-m8
THE AMUR TIGER PROGRAMME
Again the weights being quoted around the web is not from any officials who are actually weighing these animals, there is only around 300 siberian tigers in the wild, hence almost all of them were already weighed, you cant have a population that averaged 173 kg and maybe the one or two that hasnt been weighed be all of a sudden 3x the weight of the largest tiger they weighed. You have no sources that say a tiger went pass 270 kg and actually drop a biologist name: The same wild life conservationist statement:
And they dont.....look like adults?...Define how a tiger is suppose to...look like an adult... when compared next to a lion, because it just sounds like you have evidence that a tiger is suppose to be taller and more compact in the body, which I'd love to see you prove.
Show me a single tiger that has a neck width the size of a mans waist, because lions manes are 2 - 3 feet long, this means they have bigger neck areas compared to even 2,000 lb polar bears:
Even a 1,000 lb tiger doesnt have the same size upper body to a 500 lb lion with a large mane, hence they are built differently...bears have all their weight in the bottom half, tigers have their weight equally distributed through out their bodys and lions are top heavy. You cant deny everysingle photo of them together, or did Clyde beatty, Alexander lacey, Terrell jacobs, Alex kerr and every zoo or circus specifically choose a skinny short and young tiger just to pretend that...adult tigers...are suppose to....look...bigger than a lion. lol
Again, it seems you are not grasping the fact that length and height are two different things as is elongated is a different trait to being compact. And you need to define the word...bigger...because science would take into account, height, body composition, mass, size, length, and stature....and the tiger does not exceed the lion overall..so again, give your definition of the tiger is bigger?
Look at this tiger, just so much bigger than any lion Ive ever seen, so much longer, so much taller, so much more compact, this tiger is like a tank, and he unlike the other tigers is full grown...lol...now lets look at the real deals of the sundarban tigers:
Weekly Science Quiz: Bengal Tigers of the Sundarbans
However, the tigers in the Sundarbans weigh just 76.7 kg, nearly half of the weight of other wild Bengal tigers, which average at 138.2 kg. This is also less than the average weight of tigers from any of the other 8 sub-species, making the Sundarbans tigers probably the smallest in the world.
Sundarbans tigers smallest in world
One more time, you cannot determine body mass and overall size by looking at photos and then calling out that every tiger next to a lion is some type of tiger cub, juvi tiger or sub adult, it just sounds like you take popular belief and hear say around the entire web that tigers are suppose to be 2x the size of lions, which is hilariously false. In size especially the large maned lions dwarf any weight tigers in appearance. There are many factors in the terms of size...hear say is not one of them. lol
Again, the tiger has shorter front limbs, hence it gives an appearce when the tiger is...not in the same photo of having bigger body and limbs, but when next to each other the lions is arms are slightly bigger even though he has a foot of height difference:
Are all these people just lying and you are telling the truth because they havent seen a lion and tiger...together?
Lions are the tallest big cats on average and at max:
The lion is higher at the shoulder but shorter in the body than the tiger
https://books.google.com/books?id=ZP7fAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA199&d q=%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22shor ter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwB GoVChMIvZ28jMSOxgIVSouSCh3QywAn# v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22tige r%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false
The Asiatic lion in India is shorter in length than the Indian tiger, but slightly taller in shoulder height
https://books.google.com/books?id=J0rME6RjC1sC&pg=PA110&d q=%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22shor ter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwC GoVChMIvZ28jMSOxgIVSouSCh3QywAn# v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22tige r%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false
His body is longer and more slender than that of the lion, and his legs shorter,
https://books.google.com/books?id=8BJFAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA50&dq =%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22short er%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC8Q6AEwBD goahUKEwi2r6WBx47GAhWFOpIKHbK5AJ k#v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22ti ger%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false
The second is the tiger, rather longer than the lion, but not so tall
https://books.google.com/books?id=NyoqAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA43&dq =%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22short er%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBj goahUKEwi2r6WBx47GAhWFOpIKHbK5AJ k#v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22ti ger%22%20%22shorter%22&f=false
The tiger stands lower on the limbs than the lion, and is thus proportionately longer in the body
https://books.google.com/books?id=klIjAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA374&d q=%22lion%22+%22longer%22+%22tig er%22+limbs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBwQ 6AEwAWoVChMIi6-DvseOxgIVh36SCh0jqACs#v=onepage& q=%22lion%22%20%22longer%22%20%2 2tiger%22%20limbs&f=false
Bigger is better A lion and tiger are almost equal in size.Tigers have longer
bodies than lions, but they are not as tall
https://books.google.com/books?id=v92FTWrCTvwC&pg=PT6&dq= %22lion%22+%22longer%22+%22tiger %22+legs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBQQ6AE wAGoVChMItKnj-MiOxgIViX6SCh2X0QB4#v=onepage&q= %22lion%22%20%22longer%22%20%22t iger%22%20legs&f=false
but the lion stands higher at the shoulder than the tiger.
https://books.google.com/books?id=c7gRAQAAMAAJ&q=%22lion% 22+%22tiger%22+%22stands+higher% 22&dq=%22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22 stands+higher%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved= 0CBQQ6AEwAGoVChMI3KjGrsuOxgIVAX6 SCh1-QQDw
Aside from lions having relatively longer legs, it is virtually impossible to tell these two cats apart without their skins
https://books.google.com/books?id=dbQ8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1&dq= %22lion%22+%22tiger%22+%22longer +legs%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBcQ6AE wAWoVChMIofzI_8yOxgIVi12SCh0oaQF W#v=onepage&q=%22lion%22%20%22ti ger%22%20%22longer%20legs%22&f=f alse
Although the lion is not our number 1 big cat, it is the tallest
http://www.catsaroundtheglobe.com/to...ild-cats-list/
Lions are largest of the African big cat species. The lion is the tallest of the felines
http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2010/...cat-whisperer/
The lion is part of the 4 big cats known as the genus Panthera, which includes ... It is the tallest of all known cats reaching a height of 5 feet 5 inches
Lion | Africa's Big Cat
Bengal tigers (panthera Tigris Tigris) are smaller than the Siberian tigers. A male
stands between 2 and 3 feet tall at the shoulder.
The Shambala Preserve presented by The Roar Foundation
Hence lions 7-9 feet long, tigers 8-10 feet on average...which means tigers are: Longer
Hence tigers 2-3 feet tall, lions 4-5 feet tall on average...which means lions are: Taller
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Tigers are absolutely ruthless, and are BORN to fight.
Thats everland, you are looking at only a few minutes worth of editing, the owners of their Yiyoung phil and Jeong sangjop both said for 10 years the lions dominated there, several tigers were killed there and one of their first lions killed and ate a tiger there. No lions were ever reported killed there by tigers.
I'd take the testimony of the owners of the theme park over a fan who edited out details of the dvd called winter safar the power struggle.
Some other facts:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIiG6pPXZjY
Every animal species on this planet fights, doesnt mean one particular is any good at it, again most of the things stated so far are just based on hear say, when we look at the people who document these things its the opposite:
Because tigers are territorial and habits and track patterns of study animals were well known, it was possible to detect the presence of an individual by its tracks, even when collars were non-functional (Yudakov & Nikolaev, 1987; Kerley et al., 2002). It is possible that in some cases the collar was destroyed, for example, in a fight with another tiger that resulted in the collared animal’s death. However, we never detected the death of a subadult or adult tiger from predation or fighting. We detected fighting between tigers only once, and of 53 tigers handled, we only once found scaring suggestive of fighting.
Gambassa - Mikayla Lopez - web document - Goodrich 2008
No apex animal is documented fighting and killing of his own kind more than lions:
I counted more than 100 other lions killed by the Mapogo's
http://www.sunsafaris.com/blog/2012/...brett-thomson/
As stated by the experts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JL7...&nohtml5=False
Hence the title as King of the beast was given to the lion ever since man has layed eyes on him, the title King attributes to the same way Kingdoms go to war, hence tigers on the most part avoid each other...other than mating season or small territorial disputes, tigers fight almost none at all, while lions fight week to week.
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The funny thing is..you pasted another YouTube video with anecdotal "facts", so I guess we are even.
Here's the most thorough paper you will find on this topic, loaded with citations.
Tiger vs Lion Documented Fights | . Informed . Opinions .
Tiger >>>>>>> Lion, sorry brah.
Here's the most thorough paper you will find on this topic, loaded with citations.
Tiger vs Lion Documented Fights | . Informed . Opinions .
Tiger >>>>>>> Lion, sorry brah.
an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay
lol no, an anecdote is based on hear say, the accounts presented are first hand eye-witnessed accounts, hence they are from news archives, not some random person who said maybe this happened. And...Ha ha ha ha...wow, did you actually read and source any of them? Lets look at just some of the retardly hilarious things this person states:
3.2.1 Clyde Beatty
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So, if Beatty could conclude that, “the question of lion-tiger superiority is pretty much of a toss-up” (Page 259, Ref. 27), it seems that the tigers, even in Beatty’s ‘arena’ were at least equal to the lions in fighting, even after being against tremendous odds. Considering all the points mentioned above, Clyde Beatty has provided more proofs than anyone else that tigers are better fighters than lions in a captive state.
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Clyde beatty stated in his 40 years working with them, he has handled 2,000 lions and tigers, with an act of 40 at a time. At that amount one must ask, how didnt the lions and tigers kill each other? In a 1951 news report, Clyde beatty stated he did lose some of the animals over the coarse of his career...50 tigers were killed by lions:Jungle Cats' Clash Not In Act -
Why didnt that guy named...Rajah...a usual tigers name lol...mention any of beattys casualty's that Clyde mentions in all three of his books, The big cage, Jungle performers and Facing the big cats:
1928 Lion named Prince killed a tigress trudy saving beattys life
1929 Lion named Nero Killed a tiger named Pasha saving his life
1930 A gang fight erupted in the result of 3 tigers killed by lions
1931 A Lion named duke and a lioness killed a tigress Snip and a tiger
1932 A lion named sammy killed a lioness
1933 A lion named Sultan killed a tiger name Tommy
1933 A lion named Caesar killed a tiger named Bobby
1933 A fight staged for the film big cage, a lion killed a tiger
1933 Two more tigers were killed in gang fights
1934 Accidental fights in performances were used for the lost jungle, a tigress nelly was killed by a lion
1934 The same lion Caesar killed two tigers and was taken out of the act
1935 Lion named detroit kills 3 tigresses, Alice, empress and slilka
1936 Beatty mentions in his long career he has 25 tigers killed by lions accidentally
1936 A lion named Boss tweeds fought and killed 3 bengal tigers at once
1936 Clyde mentions a lion killed a tiger named Poona
1937 Clydes wife Harriet witnesses a lion kill a tiger in his act.
1938 A lion named Memphis kills a tigress named Sehka
1947 Two lions Tarzan and Henry kills a tiger named Toona
1951 Another lion named prince, killed 3 tigresses and two tigers, Rosie, slieka 2, and sheba
1951 Clyde states 50 tigers were killed by lions in his 40 year career so far
1953 Two lions kill a bengal tiger in beattys act
1954 A lion named France killed two tigers
1957 His third lion named Caesar kills 2 tigers
Ha, wow....so that guy says, that Clyde beatty is the ultimate proof that shows tigers beat lions? Ha ha ha, sounds like hes lying out his ass on that one. Lets try another one...
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Lion Kills Tiger
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“In several encounters between King Edward, a big black-maned Nubian, and Dan, a Royal Bengal tiger, the “king of beasts” had moved out second best.” (Page 68, Ref 38).
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You mean the sick lion that was unfed and being then picked on by the bengal, which was killed by the lion?Character in the Cages - The Daily News (Perth, WA : 1882 - 1950) - 29 Nov 1940
You're kinda leaving out details wouldnt you think?
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The “Lion Killer” Ben, And Other Tigers (Circus Animals)
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In Jim Tully’s book Circus Parade (Ref 42), there is an entire chapter devoted to lion vs tiger fights. It has a fascinating account of how the people of the circus used to talk about what would happen in a fight between Bad Bill, a fierce lion who supposedly could “lick anything that walks or swims in the world” and had killed a trainer, and Ben Royal, a Bengal tiger. When, because of unfortunate circumstances, the two cats really fought a battle, “Bad Bill was found, his throat torn, his stomach ripped open, and part of his carcass eaten. Ben Royal, with bloody jaws, dozed near him. ….. The tiger was afterward billed as ‘Ben, the Lion Killer’.”
About another tiger, it is mentioned that it had killed two lions. “I seen a tiger kill two lions quicker’n you could say ‘have a drink.’ The lions seen the tiger comin’ an’ roared loud as thunder but it gave a lunge wit’ mouth wide open and caught the lion right under the throat an’ before it got thru’ gurglin’ it cropped the other lion.”
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About another tiger, it is mentioned that it had killed two lions. “I seen a tiger kill two lions quicker’n you could say ‘have a drink.’ The lions seen the tiger comin’ an’ roared loud as thunder but it gave a lunge wit’ mouth wide open and caught the lion right under the throat an’ before it got thru’ gurglin’ it cropped the other lion.”
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Ohhhh, you mean this book, the one that says the criteria of the book is in the fictional section:
Circus Parade
Black Squirrel Books™, Fiction
Circus Parade - The Kent State University Press
Ha ha ha, the book is fiction, hence these events never happened.
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Count Belisarius. Robert Graves. Cassell. 1938.“Occasional fights were also staged between lion and tiger (the tiger always won) or wolves and bull (the wolves always won, if in health, by attacking the
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Another fictional book, right there in the middle...fiction:
Count Belisarius
This is the main reason why he doesn't provide a link to anything he cites, because if you read the entire abstract you will see that all the accounts hes talking about are different sources mentioning the same ones, and even worse they dont even quote it word for word, they exaggerate the account or fabricate added content, there is only one artifact in all of rome that showed a tiger defeating a lion, it comes from Martials epigrams (which all the sources say they are citeing) heres what it says:
"Lambere securi dextram consueta magistri
Tigris ab Hyrcano gloria rara jugo
Steva ferum rabida laceravit dente leonem:
Res nova, non ullis cognita temporibus.
Ausa est tale nihil, svlvis dum vixit in altis,
Postquam inter nos est, plus feritatis habet."
Translated by Anon…
The rare-seen glory of th' Hyrcanian land,
A tiger, wont to lick his master's hand,
In pieces tore a lion in his rage,
A thing not known before in any age.
He durst not this attempt in forests high:
Beasts among men learn greater cruelty
http://archive.org/stream/epigramsma...tgoog_djvu.txt
Hence Martial mentions only one occasion, and he doesnt once say the words all the time, or always won, hence only one. There are many lion defeating tiger artifacts in rome as the link already showed. How about another:
3.3.8.1 Sumatran tiger vs. seven lions
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Sumatran tiger had held his own against at least seven lions.
”At one time it looked as if ten lions were battling Chester” and yet, Chester “emerged with no serious injury” (Page 79, Ref. 27), mentioned elsewhere as “In fact my Sumatra tiger Chester fought off seven lions” (Page 258, Ref. 27).
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Ohhhh. so this tiger chester wasnt some uber fighting god, he actually was running for his life and bounding through pedestals trying to get away from the lions occasionally being caught in an embrace, nothing special, yet two tigers were killed in that act, why didnt that guy mention those incidents? lol More like cherry picking, much like he did with the weights, claws, and other statistics, almost all of his accounts mention only three main ones,
- Haughton/Jamrachs incident (repeated over 20 times using different sources,
- The romans all whom quote only martial, and repeated over 20 times
- And Clyde beatty used over 20x, which Beatty supports the lion, not the tiger.
The rest are either lionesses, young lions or... fictional books. This is why that person doesnt provide links to his cites.
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I dont think thats entirely true, many mughal (indian/persian art) in the 15th - 18th century had artifacts and paintings of hunting tigers with large manes or lions with stripes, hence the lions in india could have dominated and drove off the male tigers then mated with a tigress if she was in the mating season...tigeards have accorded several times in the wild, so I dont see why lions and tigers would have either.
