Killigraphy
Banned
3stacks is deeper, Jada has more quotables.
Jada takes it, his bars are so fun to listen to. DXL comes to mind...
Jada takes it, his bars are so fun to listen to. DXL comes to mind...
Bar for Bar who's the better emcee? Jadakiss or Andre 3000
- Thread starter Roland Coltrane
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Basically, you're saying, you weren't looking for a genuine discussion by making this thread, because you don't buy into any notion that rap has any intrinsic value beyond punchlines, even despite the intention by some artists to tell stories about self-reflection, social/political-awareness, the human condition etc. And you thought what better way to get your point across than to make a comparison that shyts on Andre's style of rapping in favor of bars that you find more palatable.breh....really?
If that's the type of shyt you value, fine
But to sit here and act like it's this profound, super deep, labirythian, DaVinci Code type thing is bullshyt
cats pull the same type of justifications for Andre as they do for Lupe, they're so conditioned to believe these guys are spitting some next level, secret code you have to decipher bars that they look for and come up with meanings on their own that really aren't there
and I made the comparison because I wanted to, I really don't know why nikkas all aggy and up in their feelings when at the end of the day this is a messare board.
People make comparisons all the time between players that don't play the same position so why is it a problem here
Lotus y'all on some "how dare you question the status quo" nonsense.
Even when cats on the internet began to push the narrative that Andre was top 5 I never agreed with it, but apparently a lot of people fell for the groupthink and went along
Do I have that right?
I struggle to comprehend how someone can believe that shyt like this is "labyrinthian, DaVinci Code, secret code -- but there's no meaning there" rapping. This is a muh'fukka from the deep South, chewing the cud about life. I mean can profoundness get any more organic than this?
The thought process... Now-
Now as an Outkast, I was born, wasn't warned of the harm
That would come to meet me like Met Life, but yet life
Done sent me through a lot of ups and downs like it ain't nothin'
Like elevators but I ain't the one that's pushin' the buttons
I got off at the 13th floor, when they told me that it wasn't one
They said it skipped from 12 to 14
Still smoking, still drinking
No, I'm sittin' on the Lincoln 4 AM thinking
That in reality the world is like a ball full of players
We trapped off in this maze with walls made of layers
And only prayer is the tightest game that you can have
The devil's takin' a swing, that might explain the broken glass
But my crystal ball see the pistol fall to the wayside
Nobody would die in cops and robbers when we used to play, right?
Huh, the only thing we feared was Williams, Wayne
Never thought about hittin' licks or slangin' 'caine
Did not think I'd be the one to give in to abortion
Label me "murderer" because my ass is scorchin'
Hot from the Glock that sits under my seat
Yeah, it's real fukked up that my folks come to get me
And it's like dat...yeah, uh-huh, yeah, and it's like dem
I could give you 20 more just like this. Comparing 3000 to someone like Nas is a more apt comparison.
Jada is good, but he is way too one dimensional to fukk with a multi dimensional guy like 3000.
Jadakiss is dope. Maybe I'm biased but when I'm listening to Dre I'm still captivated. I'd put him in the top 5 of every category associated with rap and MCing. I can't say the same for Kiss.
Andre is in my top 5 while Jada isn't. But I'm from NY, Jada's bars resonate with me waaaay more than 3Stacks. Like someone mentioned here, you could raise a kid up here off Lox bars alone. This freestyle made my brain melt when I heard it & let it me know Jada was gonna be problematic in this game.
The 'cicles in my charm be rocky, like the bud in the jars of broccoli.
5'9, kinda stocky. JASON! heavy weight writer from day 1.
And if the Lord spares me, I plan to stay one.
Give the kids all my free shyt, that OG shyt.
Cause it feels good when everybody looks decent.
And I ain't got time to rumble, cause if I get knocked out-
Then they ain't tryna hear that I stumbled.
So I pull out fast, put 2 up in yo ass.
Make em look like t*ts, talk about on our skits...
The 'cicles in my charm be rocky, like the bud in the jars of broccoli.
5'9, kinda stocky. JASON! heavy weight writer from day 1.
And if the Lord spares me, I plan to stay one.
Give the kids all my free shyt, that OG shyt.
Cause it feels good when everybody looks decent.
And I ain't got time to rumble, cause if I get knocked out-
Then they ain't tryna hear that I stumbled.
So I pull out fast, put 2 up in yo ass.
Make em look like t*ts, talk about on our skits...
Roland Coltrane
Superstar
muhfukka YOU were the one implying that his shyt had "layers"I struggle to comprehend how someone can believe that shyt like this is "labyrinthian, DaVinci Code, secret code -- but there's no meaning there" rapping. This is a muh'fukka from the deep South, chewing the cud about life. I mean can profoundness get any more organic than this?
I thought you were posting that as an example
As far as you putting words in my mouth about intrinsic value I never said it was the be all end all, that's just you being lame and setting up a straw man.
But I'll address it
You're the one getting all up in your feelings because people don't value the various aspects of emceeing in the exact same weighted percentage as you
Did I say anything that insinuated "labyrinthian, DaVinci Code" or that was over folks' heads like you accused me of? I just simply said Jadakiss is a punchline rapper, and the layers to Andre's shyt are "introspection, storytelling, creativity/originality, diversity". I don't know how any sane person could argue against that. If you prefer Jada's shyt, that's cool, ain't nobody trippin' over that, but you can't act like there isn't more depth to what Andre is rapping about.muhfukka YOU were the one implying that his shyt had "layers"
An example, yes, that showcases those layers. Or are we going to pretend that Andre is some "And y'all scared I can tell. That I'mma get Bucks like Milwaukee, cause like Sam, I ca' sell" type rapper?I thought you were posting that as an example
What is the purpose of you comparing him to a rapper who isn't even in his lane then, while disregarding that his shyt has more to it than just mainly punchlines? I do find it hilarious how you believe folks use the same "justifications" for Andre as they do Lupe, when nobody in here is doing some Rap Genius.com stretch-referencing of popular culture, theism, Obscurantism, horticulture, public transit, candy bar, rhyming-words-for-the-sake-of, smart-dumb breakdown like they'd do for this:As far as you putting words in my mouth about intrinsic value I never said it was the be all end all, that's just you being lame and setting up a straw man.
But I'll address it
"Can't be eyes closed when you side scroll you not the first person the first person from your first curse until your first cursive and your curse words is in the curve version it occurs virgin is the word version that refers perfect to the first person. In the third verse, it was really me in the third person but prefers the first one that's me."
"Well, what Lupe is trying to say in the first section is, you can't have your eyes closed when you side scroll, meaning the optical action of closing one's eyes, is blinding you from having a third eye (also the third letter i in any word), which is a reference to the Double Dragon video game, whose creators used side-scrolling as an ode to the person whose ink was used to write the Sefer Torah scroll before they were blinded (eyes closed), which is also in reference to closing the coding of ii's when you scroll across the screen".
In my feelings? Save that shyt for the next man. Even despite your attempts to shyt on 'Dre with this thread, the poll says folks aren't buying what you're trying to sell.You're the one getting all up in your feelings because people don't value the various aspects of emceeing in the exact same weighted percentage as you
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Roland Coltrane
Superstar
I'm not trying to sell anything, I gave opinionDid I say anything that insinuated "labyrinthian, DaVinci Code" or that was over folks' heads like you accused me of? I just simply said Jadakiss is a punchline rapper, and the layers to Andre's shyt are "introspection, storytelling, creativity/originality, diversity". I don't know how any sane person could argue against that. If you prefer Jada's shyt, that's cool, ain't nobody trippin' over that, but you can't act like there isn't more depth to what Andre is rapping about.
An example, yes, that showcases those layers. Or are we going to pretend that Andre is some "And y'all scared I can tell. That I'mma get Bucks like Milwaukee, cause like Sam, I ca' sell" type rapper?
What is the purpose of you comparing him to a rapper who isn't even in his lane then, while disregarding that his shyt has more to it than just mainly punchlines? I do find it hilarious how you believe folks use the same "justifications" for Andre as they do Lupe, when nobody in here is doing some Rap Genius.com stretch-referencing of popular culture, theism, Obscurantism, horticulture, public transit, candy bar, rhyming-words-for-the-sake-of, smart-dumb breakdown like they'd do for this:
"Can't be eyes closed when you side scroll you not the first person the first person from your first curse until your first cursive and your curse words is in the curve version it occurs virgin is the word version that refers perfect to the first person. In the third verse, it was really me in the third person but prefers the first one that's me."
In my feelings? Save that shyt for the next man. Even despite your attempts to shyt on 'Dre with this thread, the poll says folks aren't buying what you're trying to sell.
I just made a comparison cuz that's what people do on message board
The fact that Dre is leading the poll isn't a surprise to anybody, myself included
But apparently more people hold the same opinion as me than previously thought.
It was a simple question you autistic fukktard
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE BETTER?
y'all cats started slinging insults out the gate like some emotional bytches, insulting people's intelligence and whatnot.
You coulda just stayed your bytch ass out of the thread
Your long winded essays are better suited to the Coliseum
So I kept it completely respectful in this thread, as I do when I post back-and-forth with you in the Coliseum, and you come at me with this shyt?
What insult did I sling at you? The only insult(s) that I'm aware of is you just calling me an "autistic fukktard", and yet you have the nerve to accuse me of being an emotional bytch? How did I insult your intelligence - you asked me what the layers were to Andre's shyt, I responded accordingly, and then you went off on a tangent accusing me and others of "being conditioned to believe these guys are spitting some next level, secret code you have to decipher bars that they look for and come up with meanings on their own that really aren't there", I'd say that's insulting my intelligence, is it not?
And you say I'm the one that's being emotional?
I thought we was cool, but obviously, you let out what you really think of me. At least I know where you stand now. Good day.
Jesus Bhrist
All Star
Andre 3000 is a pedantic & ostentatious pseudo-intellectual rapper he’s not going over anybody’s heads with his sophistry, his mystique is what makes the average listener think he’s saying some esoteric & arcane poetic shyt, when it’s really just some fake deep smart dumb nikka shyt, what does he talk about directly lol he doesn’t say anything profound or thought provoking, just a bunch of non-sequitur bars
